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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
My God, it's so freakin' blatant.

Quick side note to Balze. There were two years in college where I had season passes to what was then Park City West Ski Resort. If you bought the pass before Labor Day it was only $35 for students for the full season. I spent a lot of time on those slopes.

One can barely afford lunch in the Park City lodge now for $35.

Park City is fastly losing its charm. For chrissakes, a 7-Eleven is going up on Main Street soon. Not kidding. I wonder if I'll even bother with a season pass next season.

Anyway thanks for the flashback. And now back to your regularly scheduled program.

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
CA has "vote harvesting", ie, if someone hasn't voted, a paid person can go and "collect" that vote from that person. (Or, fill out a ballot that votes for the people paying you).

Yeah, out here that is illegal and we had to redo a House election because the winner used a consultant who did things the "California" way. 9th District NC: results declared invalid due to 'vote harvesting'

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Workers paid by Dowless would collect absentee ballots and deliver them to Dowless, who promised to mail them in, according to their sworn affidavits, the News & Observer reported.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:

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CA is without a doubt the poster child of voter fraud in the country. It is literally a waste of time to vote conservative in that state because the system is sooo rigged in favor of Democrats.

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IDK Cook County, Illinois is right up there. The ole Democratic machine. As a kid I wondered what the machine looked like and why the Republicans did not have one. Cook County has various incentives to vote Democratic. Things like having your street plowed, your phone calls answered at City Hall etc.

And don't forget the old favorite, brother-in-law that is employed by Public Works and never shows up.

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Originally posted by joel9507:

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
CA has "vote harvesting", ie, if someone hasn't voted, a paid person can go and "collect" that vote from that person. (Or, fill out a ballot that votes for the people paying you).

Yeah, out here that is illegal and we had to redo a House election because the winner used a consultant who did things the "California" way. 9th District NC: results declared invalid due to 'vote harvesting'

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Workers paid by Dowless would collect absentee ballots and deliver them to Dowless, who promised to mail them in, according to their sworn affidavits, the News & Observer reported.

Then North Carolina discriminates against the lower class (including illegal immigrants), who have fewer resources and less flexibility, that would better enable them to vote. How evil of NC.

Now, where did I put my gallon of kool-aid.

Our Governor in Utah is a useless douche. I hate our Mail-in ballot system. And i absolutely despise the whole idea of ranked choice voting. So bad.

Gov. Herbert defends Utah's vote-by-mail system, endorses ranked choice voting

Governor defends Utah elections
By: Ben WinslowPosted at 4:37 PM, Aug 12, 2020 and last updated 7:45 PM, Aug 12, 2020

SALT LAKE CITY — Governor Gary Herbert defended Utah's use of vote-by-mail in the face of President Trump's attacks on the election method.


The president has blasted vote-by-mail and absentee voting as "fraudulent." His re-election campaign sued the state of Nevada as it implemented its own system. President Trump has also suggested delaying the November election.

"I don’t see a real need to postpone the elections itself. I can speak only for Utah, but we have a really good system here of vote-by-mail," Gov. Herbert said in an interview with FOX 13 on Tuesday.

The governor said Utah has utilized a vote-by-mail system for years now with very few problems.

"We really have seen no example of someone trying to game the system or cheat," he said.


Gov. Herbert said he spoke to Vice-President Mike Pence, telling him how Utah has had success with vote-by-mail.

"On balance, it’s been a good thing for Utah, and I see no reason it couldn’t happen to any other state, too," he told FOX 13.

Gov. Herbert said mail-in balloting lets voters study candidates and issues more closely. He said it would remain in place for the November election.

"It’s worked well. It gives people advance notice. They can study the issues. I think they’re more informed in their voting now because of vote-by-mail, and its a little more easy and more convenient. So better voter turnout, better voter participation. So why not keep it?" the governor said.

In his interview with FOX 13, Gov. Herbert also endorsed the idea of Utah expanding ranked choice voting. Under the current system, you choose one candidate. But under ranked choice voting, candidates are ranked in order of preference.

"I like ranked choice voting. I think it’s a good way. We’ve done it with some of our conventions on the Republican side of the ledger. I think ranked voting can work and one I actually like," Gov. Herbert said.

The Utah Republican Party also used it during its recent state convention. Because of COVID-19, party officials could not conduct rounds of balloting for major races and pivoted to ranked choice during their first-ever virtual convention. Utah County experimented with ranked choice elections in Payson and Vineyard municipal races.

"I think it went a lot more smoothly than we thought it would. We had a lot of unknowns that caused trepidation, but those unknowns didn’t pan out," said Utah County Clerk Amelia Powers Gardner.


What Utah County elections officials have found in evaluating ranked choice voting's effectiveness is that both candidates and voters liked it once they were educated on how it works.

"What we found is all of the candidates liked it and over 80% of the people who used it to vote loved it and want it more," Gardner said.

Ranked choice voting will be expanded in 2021 elections, Gardner said. Provo, Orem, Lehi, Highland and Cedar Hills have expressed interest in using it. A bill is also being drafted in the Utah State Legislature to expand it in other statewide elections.

Gov. Herbert said he could see it being used in all elections.

"I think it has advantages. If I can’t be your first choice, I want to be your second choice. So I think it brings a more civil campaign and I think that’s a good thing and we can concentrate really on the issues at hand," he told FOX 13. "So ranked choice voting is something I would support."

https://www.fox13now.com/news/...ranked-choice-voting

I prefer mail in balloting in the sense I can do it more on my own schedule, don't have to stand in long lines.

Having said that, my angst with mail in balloting is the significant increase in opportunities for errors in the vote count, from accident, incompetence, and outright intentional vote fraud.

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I prefer mail in balloting in the sense I can do it more on my own schedule, don't have to stand in long lines.

I'm away every single Presidential election and honestly can't remember the last election of any kind that i was home for due to my work. So without an option for absentee or mail-in voting I wouldn't get to vote, so I do think it has its place. But I don't trust it. We're supposed to have a voter ID requirement for voting here, but how the hell does that work for mail-in ballots? They check my signature? And what if they reject it because my signature looks all wrong because I broke my hand the week before? I've never received any type of verification that my ballot was ever counted since my county implemented this all mail-in ballot crap.

My French wife is absolutely dumbfounded by the whole notion of mail-in voting and especially the idea of voting without ever showing an ID. She simply can't comprehend how it's a legitimate thing.

Folks, there is a HUGE difference between "absentee ballots" and mail-in ballots. The former are ballots one can request, and the latter is an all-out mailed ballot to every single person on the voter rolls, including dead ones, those who moved, those who registered automatically through their DMVs and never voted.

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Originally posted by oddball:
Folks, there is a HUGE difference between "absentee ballots" and mail-in ballots. The former are ballots one can request, and the latter is an all-out mailed ballot to every single person on the voter rolls, including dead ones, those who moved, those who registered automatically through their DMVs and never voted.

Universal vote by mail is code for universal fraud. Election results would soon mirror the 98%+ elections Saddam Hussein enjoyed, who by the way was another stinkin' leftist.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:. . .

I'm away every single Presidential election and honestly can't remember the last election of any kind that i was home for due to my work. So without an option for absentee or mail-in voting I wouldn't get to vote, so I do think it has its place. But I don't trust it. . .

But I don't trust it.

Please repeat.

But I don't trust it.

I'm with you.

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Originally posted by Fenris:

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Originally posted by oddball:
Folks, there is a HUGE difference between "absentee ballots" and mail-in ballots. The former are ballots one can request, and the latter is an all-out mailed ballot to every single person on the voter rolls, including dead ones, those who moved, those who registered automatically through their DMVs and never voted.

Universal vote by mail is code for universal fraud. Election results would soon mirror the 98%+ elections Saddam Hussein enjoyed, who by the way was another stinkin' leftist.

I was just thinking. I could mail in my completed and signed ballot. The ballot counters could shred my ballot and put in a substitute. How would I ever know?

Could that ever happen?? Oh, and I am in CA.

Can wearing a mask to the polls increase voter fraud in any capacity?