It's nice to see we are motivating the libs.....but not in a favorable light:



Michael Ciemnoczolowski, a lifelong Democrat, supports stricter gun laws and contributes to Sandy Hook Promise, a gun-violence-prevention nonprofit.

But this summer, the liquor store clerk in Iowa City, Iowa, for the first time in his life bought a gun. Apprehension about street crime, armed right-wing extremists , and “whatever else the world could possibly throw at us,” drove his decision.

“Domestic politics have grown increasingly acrimonious,” says Ciemnoczolowski, 43.

American gun culture has long been dominated by conservative, white men. Now, in a marked change, a burgeoning number of liberals are buying firearms, according to surveys and fast-growing gun groups drawing minorities and progressives.

“It’s a group of people who five years ago would never have considered buying a gun,” says Jennifer Hubbert, an anthropology professor at Lewis & Clark College in Portland, Ore., who has researched liberal gun owners.

Historically, it wasn’t unusual for Democrats to own guns, with many more of them living in rural areas. Also, hunting was much more popular. But starting in the early ’90s, gun ownership among Democrats dropped significantly. Increasingly divisive political battles over the role of firearms in American society led the Democratic Party to become an advocate for gun regulation. Republicans became the party of gun rights.

Now, today’s Democrats are rediscovering guns.

A turbulent landscape
Researchers, gun merchants and owners attribute the shift to factors including rising concerns about personal safety and a volatile political climate: GOP presidential candidate and former President Donald Trump warning of “potential death and destruction” if he is charged with crimes, Democrats warning of the potential end of democracy, and two assassination plots against Trump.

Neo-Nazi groups have recently been more active nationwide, according to the Anti-Defamation League. Violent threats aren’t limited to progressives or minorities; conservative and pro-gun rallies have also been targeted.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/li...ship-growth-2a20af81

Hopefully people like that will also and get some training and hands on experience and learn how the actual law is applied.
Once some of them interact with actual responsible gun owners, maybe a few will start to see the light.
I's say this is mostly a good thing and may actually convert a few to more rational thinking.

What struck me as odd was that this supposedly first time gun owner choose a SA 1911 as his first gun. Nothing against SA or the 1911 platform, just seems like an odd entry into gun ownership. Maybe he's a fan of the classics.

When I saw this in the Non-Opinion part of the paper - I know it would be littered with leftish tropes.

This is true. After many years of assuming that the government was going to cover your ass, it has dawned on many liberals that not only might this not be accurate, but that the government might actually be your adversary. Even my mother, a diehard liberal, mentioned this before she died, and she loathed guns. I wouldn't say it makes them like them any more than they used to, but they do see that it tends to keep society honest.

Speaking for myself, you would not realize that I am a gun owner unless you knew me. And I like it that way. My neighbor found that out after I was cleaning guns on the back deck and after that his kids weren't allowed to go inside my house. No skin off my nose, one less kid to watch. Never liked the guy anyway.

I had an interesting conversation with my 17 year old son the other night. Now, the vast majority of people his age are pretty liberal, and so is he, but he has been raised by me to understand and respect conservative points of view, even if he doesn't agree with them (we had a rollicking discussion about Milton Friedman the same night). He recounted a conversation where he had referred to an "assault rifle" to a classmate who was clearly a gun guy and had been corrected that there "was no such thing". He wanted to know what his classmate meant by that. I explained that there was little difference in functionality between an AR-15 and a more conventional semi-automatic firearm in terms of capability, with the biggest difference generally being magazine capacity. I explained that gun enthusiasts rankle at that appellation because it implies a function the rifle does not possess (select fire capability). So while an AR might look intimidating and scary, it really wasn't that different from a much more sedate looking rifle. So now he is armed, so to speak, with that information.

They are beginning their conservative journey, whether they realize it or not.

I wouldn’t trust a liberal with a firearm

Treat them the same as you would the taliban or isis

Well that's a typical leftist.

They believe in forcing all of these things upon the populace but have no desire to have any of that apply to themselves.

Used to be the definition of a Conservative was a Liberal who just got mugged.

Baby steps, people, baby steps.

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Originally posted by GrumpyMCO:
What struck me as odd was that this supposedly first time gun owner choose a SA 1911 as his first gun. Nothing against SA or the 1911 platform, just seems like an odd entry into gun ownership. Maybe he's a fan of the classics.

When I saw this in the Non-Opinion part of the paper - I know it would be littered with leftish tropes.

The first gun I ever bought myself was a Colt 1911. That was before I was online so my choice was based solely on my personal experience renting and borrowing guns and finding which one I actually shot best and liked the most instead of getting opinions from others.

I still have it and it’s still one of my favorites to actually shoot. Though it’s been decades since I’ve carried any 1911 it’s still a great handgun.

Famous Leftists with firearms:

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Originally posted by GrumpyMCO:
What struck me as odd was that this supposedly first time gun owner choose a SA 1911 as his first gun. Nothing against SA or the 1911 platform, just seems like an odd entry into gun ownership. Maybe he's a fan of the classics.

Or it could be a continuation of the other irrational, uneducated choices/opinions he displayed in 2 sentences. My guess - it was a slow-mover the shop had been sitting on for a while & the salesman told him it would scare the bad guys away.

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
I wouldn’t trust a liberal with a firearm

One of the many pitfalls of living in CA in my past, I was acquainted with Democrat gun owners at my gun club. They were not "one issue voters" , simply did not care about the 2A. They were just peachy keen with 10 rd mag restrictions, bullet buttons, background checks, and 10 day waiting periods, etc. etc. In regards to future gun bans, they say "I've got mine, who cares".

Needless to say, I thought these "gun owners" were scumbags, and will never throw in for a 2A fight.

So when do they get other things like impulse control?

It will be interesting to see how liberals will react/respond when 4th Amendment rights are abused to kick in THEIR door followed by the further abuse of 2nd Amendment rights to take THEIR firearms. Will they scream "foul" then???

There’s an old saying that goes something like…”If you’re not a liberal in your 20’s you have no heart; and if you’re not a conservative in your 40’s you have no mind.”

I would think that more gun owners can only help our cause; no one (even liberals) want the guhmint to confiscate their stuff…

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Originally posted by kaschi:
It will be interesting to see how liberals will react/respond when 4th Amendment rights are abused to kick in THEIR door followed by the further abuse of 2nd Amendment rights to take THEIR firearms. Will they scream "foul" then???

Nobody is kicking in doors en masse. The federal government just doesn’t have the resources to do it and would result in a lot of dead feds. They’ll simply make gun owners criminals through legislation and target those that are caught “red handed with prohibited weapons”. Undoubtedly, these new gun owners will applaud the actions until it’s past the point of no return for them.

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Originally posted by .38supersig:
So when do they get other things like impulse control?

Ya want the world, don’t ya brother.

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Originally posted by GrumpyMCO:
What struck me as odd was that this supposedly first time gun owner choose a SA 1911 as his first gun. Nothing against SA or the 1911 platform, just seems like an odd entry into gun ownership. Maybe he's a fan of the classics.

It's easy to imagine why a new gun buyer with little to no information might pick the 1911.

"This one has a bigger bullet, and bigger is better"

"This one has TWO safety thingies, so it's twice as safe"

Etc.

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Originally posted by GrumpyMCO:

What struck me as odd was that this supposedly first time gun owner choose a SA 1911 as his first gun. Nothing against SA or the 1911 platform, just seems like an odd entry into gun ownership. Maybe he's a fan of the classics.

Many years ago I went to a gun store to buy my first handgun. I intended to buy a 1911, as that was the only type that I was familiar with (it had been my sidearm in the Navy).

The display case had a SIG CPO at a righteous price. I knew nothing about SIG pistols at the time, other than that they had a good reputation, but I fondled it, liked it, and bought it. My first (and only) 1911 was acquired from a SIGforum member many years later.

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Originally posted by TigerDore:
Famous Leftists with firearms:

There was nothing "Leftist" about Mussolini or Hitler.

Both were hardcore ultranationalist fascists, firmly on the far right end of the traditional sociopolitical spectrum. Nearly as far are one can get from the left wing, and vehemently anti-liberal.



Don't let the "Socialist" part of the name "National Socialist" fool you. That was purely PR obfuscation. They named themselves the "National Socialist German Workers' Party", in an attempt to piggyback on the wave of pro-socialist sentiment sweeping Germany in the early 1920s among the large numbers of blue collar workers to whom some of the socialist concepts appealed, as well as part of an half-assed attempt to "take back" the term socialism from the Communists/Marxists and redefine it into a sort of totalitarian national collectivism. But that by no means meant they were actually left-wing socialists.