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Have had this written for a few hours & tweaked it a few times as I juggle the idea in my head further & revise things the more I think of it. From these threads, I've been tossing the idea of possibly dropping my car note & Explorer, and picking up a few years older cash-buy daily driver. The Explorer is a 2020 Limited RWD with just a bit over 37k on it. Just out of warranty & pretty trouble free, but I think down the road about repair costs with how many sensors, computers, motors & such it has in it. https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...0601935/m/3630052605 https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...0601935/m/9670012605 Leading contender is a 4Runner. Something in the 2007-2013 range, which spans 2 generations of the truck. Likely lean more toward the 07-09. Seems, for what I could likely get for my Explorer [based on NADA value & current payoff numbers], there's a few good 4Runner options out there that the Explorer's equity would cover [or cover 80-90%, with a bit of cash from savings, which would be recouped in a couple months of not having the car note]. Downsides are losing the low mileage [37k] & great MPG of the Explorer, but potentially save a fair bit by dropping the car note & probably lowering the overall ins premium. The 4Runners that fall in the 'budget' are 110-160k mile range, all V6 & RWD. Assuming the 4Runner gets about 75% the MPG of the Explorer, based on my driving history, over the life of my Explorer ownership, I'd only really be looking at about a $4-600 increase in annual fuel cost, but would drop nearly $6k/yr between the note & ins premium. Follow-on, for the 4Runner [and Tacoma I suppose] owners. Anything to mindful of in a >100k mile 4.0V6 or the 4Runner in general after 100k? The Enemy's gate is down. | ||
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I think you know the answer. It is pretty obvious to me. While nothing wrong with an Explorer. But in a 2wd, no thanks. Get rid of the note first. Then take your time and find a nice 4wd 4Runner with out a note and then you are set. "Practice like you want to play in the game" | |||
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The transmission has "lifetime" fluid. But I don't buy that idea... change the tranny fluid at around 100k. My 2008 4.0V6 4Runner just hit 200K so I'm going to do it again when the weather gets nice. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Good to see a firsthand high mileage 4G Any major issues over those 200k? Does the V6 trans have proper access to drain/fill? DIY'able? The Enemy's gate is down. | |||
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It's been a rare time that I've had any need for 4wd in the concrete jungle of Houston. My F150, Expedition & Explorer were/are all 2wd That said, we do have aspirations to buy some acreage for our next house, so could be handy & helps a bit with resale value. Also a benefit that the 4G 4Runner can be driven like AWD [4hi unlocked diff] with how its 4wd system operates. If I came across a good 4wd, I'd give it solid consideration. Most of what I'm finding are 2wd, within 200 miles of home.This message has been edited. Last edited by: P250UA5, The Enemy's gate is down. | |||
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No major issues. It's a pain in the ass... but it is DIY'able. There's no dip stick or fill from above, so you have to hand pump the fluid a quart at a time.  "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Had to do that with both the trans & diff on my Midget [drain from drain bolt below, fill from side bolt on the case], without the benefit of ground clearance. The Enemy's gate is down. | |||
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Wife’s got a 2008 4Runner. Chellim’s right changing tranny fluid is kind of a pain, but doable. Hers developed a shudder @45 mph. I renewed the fluid, filter and added a bottle of Shudder Fix and it’s been fine for probably the last 75,000 miles. It’s been a good car. I’ve had to rebuild 1 output shaft (reboot and grease), replace both rear axle seals and renew the lf brake caliper (leaking brk. fluid). Other than these items it’s been routine maintenance only. | |||
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In the 4th gen 4runners, Don't rule out the V8 with full time 4wd. It only gets slightly less mileage than the V6, and with the V8, there are a few documented million mile motors out there. | |||
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I had the same... front wheel was not spinning free on the left side. I just replaced both calipers. They are big and heavy calipers. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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My dad had an 03 V6 SR5 & a 05 V8 Limited, both 4wd Having spent a fair bit of time in both, I preferred the V6 The Enemy's gate is down. | |||
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We inherited a 2003 4Runner V8 Ltd from my deceased son. Showed 183k on it in Sept '21. Had some basic maintenance done, new tires, and has been trouble free as a daily driver for my other son since. We now fully understand why this generation of 4Runner garners so much praise and support. Certifiable member of the gun toting, septuagenarian, bucket list workin', crazed retiree, bald is beautiful club! USN (RET), COTEP #192 | |||
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$6k a year for how many years? I’ve had one computer go bad; the BCM in my 2001 Dodge Dakota. 153,000 miles - 1979 Olds 98 Regency 78,000 miles - 1969 Corvair Monza 140hp - blew the motor 153,000 miles - 1986 Honda CRX DX - clutch, rear wheel bearing, cv joints 136,000 miles - 1992 Honda Prelude Si - clutch, blew the motor 122,000 miles - 2001 Dodge Dakota - ball joints, BCM 43,000 miles - 2004 VW Golf Diesel - nothing 130,000 miles - 2006 Nissan Armada - shift linkage 95,000 miles - 2012 Honda Odyssey - nothing 156,000 miles - 2015 Ford F350 - DEF heater, hot side charge pipe, DPF, steering parts 17,500 miles - 2017 Ford Focus ST3 - nothing 8,000 miles - 2021 Kia Telluride - nothing 23,000 miles - 2022 Ford Explorer ST - recall for rear camera Except for the Corvair, they all had power windows, seats, steering, locks, etc. The two engines that blew up, I blew up. They would have probably lasted much longer had I been driving near the posted speed limits. I could start throwing my parents’ cars in here as well. For example, my uncle is still driving my parent’s 1996 Acura RL. It needs rear shocks. I’m not the least bit worried about dodads, sensors, or computers going bad and wouldn’t use that a reason to switch vehicles. | |||
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I would NEVER dump a reliable 4 year old vehicle to go to a 15 year old vehicle of unknown origion. People usually don't sell vehicles because they're reliable. The 4 runners have never been a fan of. Seat is too close to the floor, so not comfortable on long trips. They sway on the highway. Just pay the explorer off and continue driving it for years later until you can't anymore. | |||
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4Runner. I would actually look for a 2012 or so. The creature comforts are a little nicer. I bought a 2012 4WD 4Runner with 2000 miles on it in 2012. I gave it to my Ex when we divorced. She totaled it on a deer a couple of months ago. I gave it to her at about 60k and it was serviced regularly. After that, not so much. When she totaled it, it had 330k on it. State Farm still gave her $15,000 on the settlement. Even at that mileage, it held its value. My GF has a 2006 RAV with 290k that’s a daily driver. She also bought a 2021 and traded again for a 2022 4Runner. She wanted a nice car for travel and had the cash. Both were bought new, and traded for a new year model. She then decided she wanted a Camry (huge mistake) and wasn’t happy with it. She decided a couple weeks ago to trade the 23 Camry even for a 2019 4Runner. I personally love the 4Runner. The RAV has been serviced regularly and has been problem free up till about Christmas. It started missing bad. $330 worth of coil replacement later, back to trouble free. | |||
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No debt is always the right answer. ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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Are they still using the V6 engine in the 2020 Explorer? If they are, and you have it, wait until it needs a water pump. | |||
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I’m another no debt fan. Years ago I found a nice older low mileage car and sold the flashy car with a note. I used the payment money to pay extra on my mortgage and paid it off ten years early. Being debt free is a great feeling and buys you opportunities. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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I've owned several Toyotas in my life and my last two were 4Runners. My current personally owned daily driver is a 2017 Ford F150 Coyote V8 (very purposefully purchased without stop-start) I ordered setup to my preferences from the factory. I drive Ford Explorers every day at work since we switched to them after Ford killed the magnificent Crown Vic. I've basically driven a Ford nearly every work day since 2000 and I am by no means a Ford hater. I can say unequivocally, and without any hesitation, that the Explorer is a complete piece of junk when compared to any Toyota 4Runner no matter the generation or age. I put 200k on a 3rd Gen (1998) and would have zero problems ditching my F150 and going right back to one if I found one in good shape setup to my preferences. My brother in law has my old 3rd Gen and it's over 350k miles on the original drivetrain. Do your part and a 4Runner will last forever. I would agree to stick to the V6 in the 4th Gen. Proverbs 28:1 | |||
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2.3 EcoBoost from the Ranger/Mustang. We got rid of our Flex with the N/A V6 due to some other issues, but had the water pump issue always in the back of my mind. The Enemy's gate is down. | |||
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