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I used the 7x50 Steiner Marine on my boat in NJ for almost 20 years. They're all I can recommend.

so you like 7x more than 10x?


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^^^^What Trapper said above.
I am boat people and I’m telling you Fujinon. I have the same ones he has with the compass. They are good enough to spot longline sticks on a dark night as I found out headed to Nantucket from Atlantic City years ago.
The first year I went up there I didn’t have them. My owner had Steiners. I ordered my Fujinons. When they were delivered he asked what that was and I told him. He said his Steiners were the best. I told him to wait until late that night.
Then later that evening we went out on deck with the Steiners and the Fujinons. He would look out at the mooring field with each one several times, each time spending more time with the Fujinon. Finally he asked what they cost. I told him and he said to order a pair, no, order 2 pairs. We gave one of them to the dock master at Nantucket Boat Basin. He wouldn’t take tips but he accepted those for the office.

I was using mine just last night on a boat ride.
As I said before, we also have the stabilized Fujinons on the boat but I always use mine. Just don’t care for the stabilized.
I got mine in 1988.
The only issue I had with my Fujinons is I had to replace the lens covers a few years ago. And a guest dropped them on the deck once and pushed the compass into the body a little bit but it is still readable. I don’t let anyone use my binoculars anymore except the boss if he asks and my wife when she helps me take the boat across the Gulf at night.

Fujinon is the way to go!

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The deeper the dive, the more complicated, marker spotting is critical as well.

It can be as complicated as you want to make it, or it can be fairly easy. You can learn the why things work or just accept that they do work. I find myself in the why column way to often.

What you want is a pair of solidly constructed, waterproof, fog proof 7x50 binoculars with a strap. You want good glass and good light transmission. You want a built in compass if you plan on plotting bearings on charts.

Light transmission and gathering are actually separate, but related. Transmission refers to how much of the light that enters the objective end the binoculars actually reaches your eyes at the other end. It’s determined by fancy, well made glass and coatings. The size of the objective lense has nothing to do with it.

Light gathering is how much light can physically enter the objective end and is determined by the size of the objective lenses. The natural question is then why not 7x100? The short answer is: because the image that combination creates is beyond the human eye’s ability to see. The long answer is really sciencey and I really don’t remember because I read it a long time ago. Basically, the human pupil can only get so big and thus there’s a physical limit as to how much light it will let in. With optics, there’s a ratio between power and the objective lens that creates an image the human eye can take advantage of and beyond that provides no benefit.
 
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The deeper the dive, the more complicated, marker spotting is critical as well.

It can be as complicated as you want to make it, or it can be fairly easy. You can learn the why things work or just accept that they do work. I find myself in the why column way to often.

What you want is a pair of solidly constructed, waterproof, fog proof 7x50 binoculars with a strap. You want good glass and good light transmission. You want a built in compass if you plan on plotting bearings on charts.

Light transmission and gathering are actually separate, but related. Transmission refers to how much of the light that enters the objective end the binoculars actually reaches your eyes at the other end. It’s determined by fancy, well made glass and coatings. The size of the objective lense has nothing to do with it.

Light gathering is how much light can physically enter the objective end and is determined by the size of the objective lenses. The natural question is then why not 7x100? The short answer is: because the image that combination creates is beyond the human eye’s ability to see. The long answer is really sciencey and I really don’t remember because I read it a long time ago. Basically, the human pupil can only get so big and thus there’s a physical limit as to how much light it will let in. With optics, there’s a ratio between power and the objective lens that creates an image the human eye can take advantage of and beyond that provides no benefit.


Ok so that drops the price by a lot!


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I used the 7x50 Steiner Marine on my boat in NJ for almost 20 years. They're all I can recommend.

so you like 7x more than 10x?


Yes. There’s a reason most marine binoculars are 7x50.

I’ve tried using my Nikon 10x42 Monarch X (I think I have the model above these, but it wouldn’t change my opinion) there’s no benefit to the higher power on a small boat. Maybe on a ship there would be. They cannot be held steady enough on a small boat to see any finer detail that the 7x ones will.
 
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Find some image stabilizing models and try them at the store.

Here's a quick google fu:
https://worldbirds.com/image-stabilized-binoculars/
 
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Steiner Commander 7 x 50c used to be the go to for personally owned binocs on the bridge.

7 x 50 was US Navy standard, best mix of magnification and stabilization…



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Good to see you posting again. I don't think I had seen anything from you lately.

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An above poster gave some credit to IS binoc's. About 10 years ago I bought a set of 10x just to try them. I was amazed at how good they were. Then over about 5 or so years the covers just gave up working. No impact on the mechanics, they just looked awful. So maybe 3 years ago I bought a set of 15x IS. Gawd the difference was just outstanding.

I've found that they're battery hogs. They almost require Lithium AA batteries. I don't like changing batteries, especialy when I'm using them. With new batteries they're great.

So what it comes down to is if you want to use 7x binoc's, any brand will do. Once you get up to the 15's, regular one's don't let you see much. If you're old and wobble, regular binoc's just don't work well. With the IS, it becomes rock solid when you push the button. No, I don't know how it works, but it does.
 
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Checkout Best Binocular Reviews the guy really knows his glass, the link I provided is his binocular guide. He has a massive listing of reviews of every brand and price range you can imagine.

Best Marine Binoculars 2022


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Transmission refers to how much of the light that enters the objective end the binoculars actually reaches your eyes at the other end. … The size of the objective lense has nothing to do with it.
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This is true when referring to transmission of the light through the binoculars, but lest someone carelessly misread the post and focus only on the bolded sentence (as I did initially), when all other factors are equal the size of the objective lens does affect how much light initially enters an optical device. That of course is simply obvious: put a bucket and a teacup out in a rainstorm, and the bucket will collect a greater volume of water because it has a larger opening. The same is true of larger objective lenses, but as pointed out a couple of times, there is a limit to how large of an objective lens in relation to the magnification that the human eye can benefit from.




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I did try to explain that in the next paragraph I wrote. I didn’t mention that I vaguely recall the human eye limit gets worse as you get older.
 
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I think we got a winner....
https://www.amazon.com/gp/prod...=ALAQLAKJ574UN&psc=1


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I vaguely recall the human eye limit gets worse as you get older.

I have read that too, but it isn’t mentioned in every article about exit pupil size I have run across. It could mean that for many of us striving for max exit pupil size in our optical devices is a futile effort.

I should ask my optometrist about that during my next visit.
I have several binoculars with different magnifications and objective lens sizes, but they are such different vintages and quality that any effort to see which one provided the best night vision views would probably be useless.




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I used the 7x50 Steiner Marine on my boat in NJ for almost 20 years. They're all I can recommend.

so you like 7x more than 10x?


Yes, for use on a boat 7x50 is perfect. I don't have experience with stabilized, maybe 10 power works on the water with it.


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I think we got a winner....
https://www.amazon.com/gp/prod...=ALAQLAKJ574UN&psc=1

I took a 65 HATT to Palm Beach several times for a friend of my boss. He had those on the boat and I didn’t care for them. I still used mine. Although those are lighter….
 
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If they don't have Image Stabilization you do NOT anything more powerful than 7X. If you have Marine grade Image Stabilization 12X works quite well.

BTW, there are multiple levels of Image stabilization. Canon's are mostly optimized for hand shaking or similar. If you want to stand on a boat in heavy waves and see a clear image it's going to cost.

Fujinon offers several model optimized for high movement stabilization. I've provided a lint to some 14 power IS glasses what will work but you may need to back off the zoom a bit. As for the price, take a look at the cost for their Gyro Stabilized 12 power glasses.


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