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Guess who won’t be a FFDO anymore
March 03, 2019, 06:59 AM
ThankGod4SigGuess who won’t be a FFDO anymore
Whoever did this!
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/3039871002
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March 03, 2019, 08:10 AM
casquote:
Guess who won’t be a FFDO anymore
Guess who won't know what that means? Most everyone!
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March 03, 2019, 08:18 AM
V-Tailquote:
Originally posted by cas:
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Guess who won’t be a FFDO anymore
Guess who won't know what that means? Most everyone!
It's explained in the linked article, but I definitely agree with you: we should not have to click on a link and wait for it to download (while ten ads are trying to load and are blocked by Ad Blocker Plus), in order to find out what it means.
V-Tail's Rule: All acronyms should be expanded the first time that they are used in any thread. Exceptions can be granted for really common ones.
הרחפת שלי מלאה בצלופחים March 03, 2019, 08:31 AM
nojoyHmmm. Article didn’t say if the pistol was in its lock box or not. I’m sure it was. Odd the pilot would forget something like that. They may well indeed lose their FFDO privileges for awhile or permanently.
March 03, 2019, 08:33 AM
Otto PilotAt least he didn't shoot a hole in the side of the plane.
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March 03, 2019, 08:37 AM
EponymList of Acronyms
FFDO -
Federal
Flight
Deck
Officer
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March 03, 2019, 08:45 AM
Mike the TexanPPP: Pistol Packin' Pilot would have been a much better term.
Maybe Delta will make the pilot attach a piece of 550 cord to the weapon and himself so it will never again be out of reach.
March 03, 2019, 09:15 AM
alreadydeadPut the handgun being secured in the shut down checklist
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March 03, 2019, 09:25 AM
RogueJSKquote:
Originally posted by Otto Pilot:
At least he didn't shoot a hole in the side of the plane.
Yeah, that has happened before, thanks to the ridiculous "safety procedures" for FFDOs.
They bought them these goofy holsters with holes cut in the trigger area. The pilots are required to secure their firearms during certain portions of the flight by taking the holster off their belt, inserting a padlock through the hole in the holster and into the trigger guard, and then stowing the locked holster.
The issue is that it's possible for the padlock to be inserted
in front of the trigger, and the gun could then discharge if one pushed on the rear of the handgun, causing the padlock to depress the trigger.
This very thing happened at least once that I know of during a flight, with the bullet punching a hole in the side of the plane. It may have happened more than once.
Requiring pilots to stick solid objects inside the trigger guards of their pistols, multiple times per day... Brilliant.
March 03, 2019, 09:30 AM
V-Tailquote:
Originally posted by Eponym:
List of Acronyms
FFDO - Federal Flight Deck Officer
You're welcome.
Yup, it was there, in the linked article, once you click on the link, wait for the article (and all the ads*) to load, and scroll down toward the bottom.
My point is, an acronym should be expanded (defined) the first time it is used.
I did a fair amount of technical and educational writing, eons ago, at Bell Labs. The rule was, the first time an acronym appears, it is explained either inline in parentheses, or in a footnote on the same page.
I'm not trying to pick an argument with you, just shouting from my soapbox.
* Using an ad blocker, so I don't actually see the ads, but the ad blocker has a little badge that shows how many ads it has trapped. It seems that the higher the count, the longer it takes the page to load.
הרחפת שלי מלאה בצלופחים March 03, 2019, 09:43 AM
rduckworquote:
Originally posted by RogueJSK:
quote:
Originally posted by Otto Pilot:
At least he didn't shoot a hole in the side of the plane.
Yeah, that has happened before, thanks to the ridiculous "safety procedures" for FFDOs.
They bought them these goofy holsters with holes cut in the trigger area. The pilots are required to secure their firearms during certain portions of the flight by taking the holster off their belt, inserting a padlock through the hole in the holster and into the trigger guard, and then stowing the locked holster.
The issue is that it's possible for the padlock to be inserted
in front of the trigger, and the gun could then discharge if one pushed on the rear of the handgun, causing the padlock to depress the trigger.
This very thing happened at least once that I know of during a flight, with the bullet punching a hole in the side of the plane. It may have happened more than once.
Requiring pilots to stick solid objects inside the trigger guards of their pistols, multiple times per day... Brilliant.
Do you know this for a fact? Seems stupid even by fed standards!! But then, never underestimate a federal bureaucrat!
RMD
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March 03, 2019, 09:47 AM
RogueJSKYes, I know it for a fact. There are numerous news reports out there regarding for the first known incident from 2008 involving US Airways pilot James Langenhahn, and a DHS OIG report was published criticizing the holster and associated procedures.
March 03, 2019, 09:48 AM
rduckworquote:
Originally posted by RogueJSK:
Yes, I know it for a fact. There are numerous news reports out there regarding for the first known incident from 2008 involving US Airways pilot James Langenhahn, and a DHS OIG report was published about the flaws with the holster and procedures.
Holy fuck me dead. I didn't think even .gov was that stupid.
RMD
TL Davis: “The Second Amendment is special, not because it protects guns, but because its violation signals a government with the intention to oppress its people…”
Remember: After the first one, the rest are free.
March 03, 2019, 09:49 AM
casquote:
Originally posted by Eponym:
List of Acronyms
FFDO - Federal Flight Deck Officer
You're welcome.
You're welcome.
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March 03, 2019, 09:52 AM
gearhoundsI'm not sure what the point of any kind of locking device such as the one seen above. The gun will NEVER fire on it's own from inside the holster. If you can trust the FFDO to carry on a fully loaded jet of a couple hundred people, why insist on a lock?
Here's a novel idea- lets allow the FFDO to carry his pistol in a holster, unmolested. From his car/cab/locker/whatever/. Require him to have said holstered pistol concealed completely at all times until he is on the plane and secure in the cabin.
I fly armed a couple of times a year. My pistol is never locked, and is required to be under direct physical control- in other words, directly attached to my body. If the FFDO can be trusted to have the gun on the plane, how should he be any different?
More TSA stupidity.
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DonDraperWhat is an FFDO? Is that an article or a giant advertisement? I'm so confused
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March 03, 2019, 10:38 AM
sigmonkeyquote:
Originally posted by V-Tail:...
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RHINOWSOquote:
Originally posted by rduckwor:
Holy fuck me dead. I didn't think even .gov was that stupid.
Oh, that's just the tip of the ice-burg...
March 03, 2019, 10:55 AM
V-Tailquote:
Originally posted by sigmonkey:
quote:
Originally posted by V-Tail:...
V-Tail's Rule: AASBETFTTTAUIATECBGFRCO
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OK, thanks for the help.
הרחפת שלי מלאה בצלופחים March 03, 2019, 10:59 AM
YooperSigsCDNN was selling that holster for less than 20 bucks.
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