The Queen Consort

February 08, 2022, 10:12 AM

roarindan

The Queen Consort

Queen Elizabeth (wonder if her friends call her Betty or Beth??) has decreed that Prince Charles second wife will be allowed to be referred to as Queen Consort upon the Princes ascension to the throne. My question is ..does her decree stand after her death or is the new ruler able to issue new rules??

February 08, 2022, 10:15 AM

smlsig

I’m certainly no expert but I would expect that when Charles becomes King he can do whatever he wants. This is assuming that he lives long enough to actually ascend to the throne!

February 08, 2022, 10:24 AM

chellim1

quote:
Queen Elizabeth has decreed that Prince Charles second wife will be allowed to be referred to as Queen Consort upon the Princes ascension to the throne.

Whatever happened to "Charles will never be King."? Didn't she once say that?

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February 08, 2022, 10:27 AM

architect

I cannot claim any expertise in the doings of the British Monarchy, but to me this sounds like a barely-veiled insult. After all, what is the wife of the King usually called? Yes. that's right, "the Queen." To call her the "Queen Consort" instead seems to me to be a reduction in rank. Remember that Lizzie's hubby Philip was called the "Prince Consort," maybe this is no more than some sort of Royal pissing contest.

And didn't we ~~fight~~ win a war not to have to pay attention to this nonsense?

February 08, 2022, 10:38 AM

RogueJSK

No insult here. Wives of British monarchs are referred to as a Queen Consort (a spousal queen without the power to rule), to distinguish them from a true Queen aka a Queen Regnant (a ruling Queen, like Elizabeth). The monarch holds the ruling status; their spouse merely holds the social status.

Husbands of British monarch are referred to as Prince Consorts, to distinguish them from royal Princes in line to rule as King. They're not referred to as King or King Consort, because the non-ruling husband cannot outrank his ruling wife.

February 08, 2022, 10:49 AM

ChuckWall

If Camila isn't from the Royal class, think earls, dukes, etc, she probably cannot be queen. But I'm just guessing here.

February 08, 2022, 11:37 AM

Sig2340

I want to take a moment to express my undying appreciation for

Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Dis dame. Hubba, hubba.

I believe she is possibly that last really effective monarch, one who husbanded the British Royal Family writ large through an unparalleled period of societal change. And it did not help that her heir and his spouse were unable to keep their extramarital affairs private.

Born: 21 April 1926
First radio address: 13 October 1940
Married: 20 November 1947
Coronation as Queen: 02 June 1953
Widowed: 09 April 2021

Congratulations on your Platinum Jubilee, Your Majesty. Well done, well done indeed.

February 08, 2022, 11:42 AM

220-9er

Remember, she's Charles wife #2 and not the mother of his children who may factor into the equation at some point. One of his children is looking less like an option for eventual King material too.
Maybe that's part of the issue here.
Glad it doesn't really concern us.

February 08, 2022, 11:42 AM

Lefty Sig

Diana was a head case. Borderline personality disorder, bulimic, a bunch of issues. She was good in front of the press and the public, but Charles just got tired of her shit after enough time.

And then prince Harry married a Narcissist (same cluster disorders as a borderline) probably because she reminded him of his dead mother. And he is being destroyed by her in her effort to upstage the entire royal family.

February 08, 2022, 11:58 AM

Shaql

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prince Harry

Didn't he lose his titles and privileges?

February 08, 2022, 12:24 PM

Lefty Sig

I believe they opted out of the Royal family.

February 08, 2022, 12:30 PM

PASig

quote:
Originally posted by architect:
I cannot claim any expertise in the doings of the British Monarchy, but to me this sounds like a barely-veiled insult. After all, what is the wife of the King usually called? Yes. that's right, "the Queen." To call her the "Queen Consort" instead seems to me to be a reduction in rank. Remember that Lizzie's hubby Philip was called the "Prince Consort," maybe this is no more than some sort of Royal pissing contest.

And didn't we ~~fight~~ win a war not to have to pay attention to this nonsense?

No, you are not aware of how the titles and succession works here. The term "consort" has been used for hundreds of years now with the British Monarchy. Where is tacfoly to set us all straight here?

I don't really follow the Monarchy but am always intensely jealous of the military uniforms they wear and the British military in general. They know how to do a dress uniform right and not look like a dumpy ragbag with a uniform a size or two too large like our guys sadly often do. The ONLY ones that even come close are the Marines with the dress greens and dress blues.

February 08, 2022, 02:13 PM

YooperSigs

I think the Queen is a class act. The rest of the family... Not so much! And one of the things I find most confusing about Brit society is why they havent done away with the Monarchy.
Tacfoley will be in shortly to give us his current take on the Royals, I imagine.

February 08, 2022, 02:14 PM

Pyker

a) She is not descended from the Royal Family, so can never be Queen in her own right

b) She is divorced, so can never be Queen.

c) She is catholic, so can never be Queen as the Queen/King is the head of the protestant Church of England

d) It's just a title and has no actual Monarchial powers attached to it.

Pyker (Who faithfully served Queen & country before crossing into the light).

.

February 08, 2022, 02:17 PM

tacfoley

quote:
Originally posted by RogueJSK:
No insult here. Wives of British monarchs are referred to as a Queen Consort (a spousal queen without the power to rule), to distinguish them from a true Queen aka a Queen Regnant (a ruling Queen, like Elizabeth). The monarch holds the ruling status; their spouse merely holds the social status.

Husbands of British monarch are referred to as Prince Consorts, to distinguish them from royal Princes in line to rule as King. They're not referred to as King or King Consort, because the non-ruling husband cannot outrank his ruling wife.

Correct.

February 08, 2022, 02:29 PM

tacfoley

quote:
Originally posted by YooperSigs:
I think the Queen is a class act. The rest of the family... Not so much! And one of the things I find most confusing about Brit society is why they havent done away with the Monarchy.
Tacfoley will be in shortly to give us his current take on the Royals, I imagine.

Hanging on the wall above our stairs, I have a framed piece of paper.

It reads -

Elizabeth the Second by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith.
To Our Trusty and well beloved tac foley Greetings!
We, reposing especial Trust and Confidence in your Loyalty, Courage and Good Conduct do by these Presents, Constitute and Appoint you to be an Officer in Our Land Forces, from the Twenty-ninth day of August 1984 etc.

Gentlemen all - I have no horse in this race. I hope you will excuse me.

February 08, 2022, 03:18 PM

satch

quote:
Originally posted by Sig2340:
I want to take a moment to express my undying appreciation for

Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Dis dame. Hubba, hubba.

I believe she is possibly that last really effective monarch, one who husbanded the British Royal Family writ large through an unparalleled period of societal change. And it did not help that her heir and his spouse were unable to keep their extramarital affairs private.

Born: 21 April 1926
First radio address: 13 October 1940
Married: 20 November 1947
Coronation as Queen: 02 June 1953
Widowed: 09 April 2021

Congratulations on your Platinum Jubilee, Your Majesty. Well done, well done indeed.

. During WWII she was a ambulance driver and truck mechanic much to the dismay of the Queen Mother.

February 08, 2022, 04:03 PM

dewhorse

The queen is a class act and a woman to admire. Unfortunately her behavior is from a forgotten time....at least forgotten by most.

I won't comment on the rest of the Royal family...although it seems William and his family are doing the right thing.

And don't get me started about Harry ....I had such high hopes