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Originally posted by x0225095:
Auburn, or even, Alabama, would have beat them like a drum the other night.

LMFAO, the "Roll Tide" crowd are still in denial... It would have been like last years National Title game where Bama got plundered by Clemson and Sabin looked like someone had just killed his dog. But it would have been even worse without Tua.

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LMFAO, the "Roll Tide" crowd are still in denial

It's pretty remarkable how the bammers are yammering on about how now they would beat every single team including LSU.

I don't believe I've ever so much looked forward with hope to a Michigan thumping of a team. Of course, there will be endless excuses in the wake of that too.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
Pictures don’t work for you, Jim. Go back and watch the video. Lawrence crouches and actually turns his head TOWARDS the oncoming Wade. Defenders are basically going to be forced to take out a player’s knees to avoid targeting.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhUby8SOEbs

I personally screen grabbed those pics from the video, after watching it several times. I also saw the play live and all of the replays during the in game review. It does not matter how Lawrence twisted turned or crouched. The focus of the rule is to stop defenders from leading with the top of their head for their own safety. He clearly made 1st contact on the QB with the crown of his helmet, that had nothing to with the QBs body position and it didn't matter, for the sake of the rule, that he hit him in the head. Had Lawrence stood straight up and turned away from the hit, talking the crown of the helmet to the back, it would still be targeting.

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Originally posted by x0225095:
Frick...is OSU still crying about the game they lost?...Please.....Sheesh.

Have a friend that is a huge Ohio State fan, and was crying about the bad calls. Didn't have a response for the 4 times OSU was in the red zone to only come away with 9 points. But it was the refs!

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Originally posted by Southflorida-law:

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Originally posted by x0225095:
Frick...is OSU still crying about the game they lost?...Please.....Sheesh.

Have a friend that is a huge Ohio State fan, and was crying about the bad calls. Didn't have a response for the 4 times OSU was in the red zone to only come away with 9 points. But it was the refs!

Overlooking the fact that one of those trips resulted in a ruled touchdown—-which was called back by the replay booth. So yeah, it was pretty much the refs.

OSU was beating the brakes off of Clemson defensively virtually the entire game. Then Wade gets ejected, resulting in 15 yards, a PI for another fifteen yards, Boom, Clemson scores. Who needs offense when you got the refs?

My favorite part of that call was that nobody on the field had even called a penalty on Wade, let alone targeting. Then the replay booth initiates the penalty and targeting in one fell swoop. Why even have refs on the field? Nope, that was a full scale hosing, and everybody knows it.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:

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Originally posted by x0225095:
Auburn, or even, Alabama, would have beat them like a drum the other night.

LMFAO, the "Roll Tide" crowd are still in denial... It would have been like last years National Title game where Bama got plundered by Clemson and Sabin looked like someone had just killed his dog. But it would have been even worse without Tua.

It’s not just the roll tide crowd, it’s many of the SEC fans. I still think SEC stands for Sausage, Egg and Cheese.

I think Auburn, with 3 losses, would beat most of the top ten teams outisde of OSU, LSU and Clemson in the AP/FBS poll-rankings.

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Originally posted by Milliron:
Nope, that was a full scale hosing, and everybody knows it.

Well, if OSU scored touchdowns when they got into the Red Zone, it wouldn't matter.

Truth is if you let teams like OSU, LSU, Auburn, Clemson, OU, UGA hang around into the second half, they can come back and kill you. You have to stick the knife in and sink it deep and OSU spent their wad in the first half and didn't get many TDs out of it. Clemson's Defense kept them in the game and stupid OSU players (punt penalty) and other calls sapped whatever life they had left.

And then there is throwing a pick in the end zone.

Waiting for the take on Alabama vs. Michigan. I am not a fan of either and will be happy that one of them will lose. No offense to the roll tide fans or Wolverine backers. Should be an interesting matchup.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:

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Originally posted by Milliron:
Nope, that was a full scale hosing, and everybody knows it.

Well, if OSU scored touchdowns when they got into the Red Zone, it wouldn't matter.

Truth is if you let teams like OSU, LSU, Auburn, Clemson, OU, UGA hang around into the second half, they can come back and kill you. You have to stick the knife in and sink it deep and OSU spent their wad in the first half and didn't get many TDs out of it. Clemson's Defense kept them in the game and stupid OSU players (punt penalty) and other calls sapped whatever life they had left.

And then there is throwing a pick in the end zone.

Well I can’t argue that mistakes weren’t made. The roughing the kicker boner is a good example, or the pick in the end zone. But that isn’t the point. Those blown calls determined the outcome of the game—those mistakes didn’t. Neither did the three field goals (recall that one was the end result of yet another reversed TD). On the other hand, those calls removed 14 points from the board and ejected a starting cornerback. You take those three calls out of the game and it’s 37-22 Ohio State, mistakes and all. If that isn’t putting your thumb on the scale, I don’t know what is.

I’m not actually one to get too hung up on officiating. I figure you get as many calls as you don’t. But in a huge game like this one, those calls were breathtaking.

For the record, this was the same crew that officiated the Iron Bowl, if that tells you anything.

I know there are opinions galore about the officiating, but from what I have read, both the targeting and the overturned fumble were called by the replay booth to the letter of the NCAA rule book.

You can argue that the rules suck and that they don't make sense, but if you read the actual rules applied, you will see that the officials followed them to the letter.

OSU had a great year, but I'm afraid their institutional reaction to the game is what will be most remembered about this season, and more embarrassing to the school than the Woody Hayes debacle.

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Originally posted by stiab:
... but I'm afraid their institutional reaction to the game is what will be most remembered about this season, and more embarrassing to the school than the Woody Hayes debacle.

People trolling the Big Ten thread happens EVERY year before/after a tOSU bowl game but you may have just taken home the trophy for the dumbest statement in the nearly 10 years of annual Big Ten threads. Hyperbole can’t even excuse your statement.

A head coach punching an opposing player during a play in a Bowl Game is a once in a lifetime event but college football fans whining about officiating to this level happens monthly every year between Sept and January.

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Originally posted by tatortodd:...fans whining about officiating to this level happens monthly every year between Sept and January.

I see you missed the point entirely. I said "institutional reaction", and was clearly not speaking about the fans. Woody was part of the institution, as are some of the most vocal now.

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Originally posted by stiab:

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Originally posted by tatortodd:...fans whining about officiating to this level happens monthly every year between Sept and January.

I see you missed the point entirely. I said "institutional reaction", and was clearly not speaking about the fans. Woody was part of the institution, as are some of the most vocal now.

A distinction without a difference. Regardless of whether it’s tOSU fans’ whining or institution’s whining, it’s ridiculous to state that it’s more embarrassing than tOSU’s head coach entering the field of play during a bowl game and punching an opposing player. That embarrassing feat has not happened in another bowl game since Woody did it in 1978, but whining about officiating happens every bowl season. Your statement is so ludicrous that I suspect trolling which is something that occurs every year during Big Ten Championship, tOSU’s bowl game, or both.

To point back to page 1 of this thread:

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Requests:

Keep this thread about the Big Ten teams & players, the weekend’s Big Ten match-ups and opponents, kudos for Big Ten players/coaches/administrators, and Big Ten conference champ predictions.

If you’re a fan of a team from another conference, join in for some good-natured ribbing when your team plays a Big Ten team. Otherwise, please start a thread for your favorite conference.

It’s just a game so let’s keep the ribbing good-natured.

New Year's Day Bowl Games:

#18 MN vs #12 Auburn at noon on ESPN in Tampa, FL, for the Outback Bowl. Depending on which odds service you believe, the Golden Gophers are 7 to 7.5 point underdogs. Statistically, they're pretty even matched on offense, but Auburn is nearly 4 points per game stingier on defense. They have faced zero common opponents. I'm rooting for MN, but frankly IL and WI showed future opponents how to beat MN. I predict Auburn wins but fails to cover.

#14 UofM vs #13 Alabama at noon on ABC in Orlando, FL, for the Citrus Bowl. The Wolverines are unanimously 7.5 point underdogs. Statistically, Alabama is much better on offense (110 yards and 15 points per game), and on defense UofM gives up slightly less yards but gives up about a point more per game. They have no common opponents, but UofM has too much pride to schedule Western Carolina School for the Blind (i.e. non-conference creampuffs that Alabama schedules) . If Tua was playing I would predict a blowout, but I think UofM follows LSU's and Auburn's blueprints to pull off the upset.

#6 Oregon vs #8 WI at 4:00 on ESPN in Pasadena, CA, for the grand daddy of them all (i.e. the Rose Bowl). The Badgers are unanimously favored by 3 points. Statistically, they're within 1.5 points of each other on both offense and defense. I predict the Badgers win and cover.

Over/under: Michigan loses by a larger point differential than Oklahoma?

I'll take the over.

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Originally posted by tatortodd:
A distinction without a difference...but whining about officiating happens every bowl season.

Huge difference that apparently you can't see. And no, public whining (your words) from this high a level does not happen every bowl season.

OK, guys