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Surprised she doesn't have a hyphenated last name.
 
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This was local news here in OKC last week because the principle ATC training is at the FAA facility in OKC. Seems a bit sketchy to me, perhaps a way to hide DEI decisions.

"College Controller Grads To Skip FAA ATC Academy

The FAA is allowing graduates of college and university air traffic control programs to skip training at its own ATC academy in Oklahoma City and go directly to on-the-job training at ATC facilities. The measure was among a series of immediate actions announced by the agency to boost ATC recruitment and increase staffing levels at facilities across the country. A shortage of controllers has been a common theme in various studies, reports and seminars on a spate of runway incursions and losses of separation in the past year. Skipping the academy for college ATC grads should increase capacity at the academy for other prospective controllers.

Previously, graduates from accredited Air Traffic-Collegiate Training Initiative (AT-CTI) programs had to go to the Oklahoma academy for at least seven weeks of the 12-week program there to get them ready for a facility. Those with degrees will now go straight to an operational ATC unit where they’ll begin the one- to three-year on-the-job training segment of their career. “The FAA will work with AT-CTI programs to ensure that graduates from these programs have the necessary skills to begin on-the-job training at a facility,” the agency said. “These graduates still must pass the Air Traffic Skills Assessment (ATSA) exam and meet medical and security requirements.” After finishing their supervised training, they become certified controllers. We’ve asked the National Air Traffic Controllers Association for comment on the move but didn’t hear back in time for our deadline.

AT-CTI trainees make up a significant number of applicants for ATC jobs so bypassing the academy for them should free up seats in the full 12-week program that so-called “off-the-street” trainees must undergo. The FAA will accept applicants who don’t go the university route provided they have work experience and/or education that make them suitable candidates. All candidates have to pass rigorous screening before being accepted for training by the FAA.

The agency said in its Friday statement it is also expanding the ATC academy and will ensure that every seat is filled. It will offer year-round acceptance of already-trained military and private-sector controllers and will have a total of four advanced training facilities in operation around the country by next spring. It also recently bought ATC simulators and will have them in 95 facilities by the end of 2025. The agency also intends to keep working on its safety culture with internal reporting structures and the continuation of safety meetings at ATC facilities."

LINK TO STORY, CLICK or found at Avweb dot com if the link doesn't work.
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According to the FAA, Denton is a Federal Contract Tower (FCR) which means the ATCs there are not FAA ATCs, they are employees of a contractor.

From the FAA:
“Contract towers are air traffic control towers that are staffed by employees of private companies rather than by Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) employees. The FAA Contract Tower (FCT) Program was established in 1982 to allow the agency to contract out the operation of certain towers.”

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Originally posted by trapper189:

According to the FAA, Denton is a Federal Contract Tower (FCR) which means the ATCs there are not FAA ATCs, they are employees of a contractor.
During my more than fifty years of flying, both as a commercial pilot (corporate type) and as a flight instructor, I had very few interactions with Air Traffic Controllers that were less than professional. Of the few that were problematic, almost all of them were either with Contract Towers, or with trainees.



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Yes, KDTO is a contract tower. Not FAA personnel.

Also, as to the FAA's apparent move to have college grads skip the academy at the MMAC:

Big mistake.

There are three traditional sources for controllers in the FAA:

1) Former military controllers

2) the College Training Initiative grads (kids who went to aviation specific programs)

3) 'Off the street' hires (folks who come from any background...including current/former pilots)

There needs to be a common filter (MMAC) to run all three types thru to see if they can do the job.

I have worked with all three types and I have seen those that were really good and those that needed to find employment elsewhere. It did not matter the background.

To automatically assume some kid that ponied-up $80 to $100K is automatically going to be a controller is insane.

In the end...it matters not what background you have. To be successful in ATC, one has to be able to see AND think in three dimensions. To be able to visualize objects moving thru time and space; recognize aircraft in conflict and be able to resolve said conflicts.


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^^^^^
Yup. There isn't a f---ing RESET button on the panel of a radar screen in TRACON. There are no second chances or room for "OOOPS" or tolerance for a MAJOR f--- up with hundreds of people's lives at stake. Certainly a recipe for disaster, in my not so humble professional opinion.



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Elon Musk quote (last paragraph) says it all...

FAA’s diversity push includes focus on hiring people with ‘severe intellectual’ and ‘psychiatric’ disabilities

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) is actively recruiting workers who suffer "severe intellectual" disabilities, psychiatric problems and other mental and physical conditions under a diversity and inclusion hiring initiative spelled out on the agency’s website.

"Targeted disabilities are those disabilities that the Federal government, as a matter of policy, has identified for special emphasis in recruitment and hiring," the FAA’s website states. "They include hearing, vision, missing extremities, partial paralysis, complete paralysis, epilepsy, severe intellectual disability, psychiatric disability and dwarfism."

"Do you want to fly in an airplane where they prioritized DEI hiring over your safety?" tech billionaire Elon Musk wrote on X last week. "That is actually happening."

Rest of article at link
 
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^^^^ FUBAR & SNAFU & BOHICA.^^^^^
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^^^^ HAHAHAHA I've seen that movie a few times and my favorite scene is "Jethro Airlines".

If you know, you know Jethro Airlines.
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Originally posted by OKCGene:
This was local news here in OKC last week because the principle ATC training is at the FAA facility in OKC. Seems a bit sketchy to me, perhaps a way to hide DEI decisions.

"College Controller Grads To Skip FAA ATC Academy

The FAA is allowing graduates of college and university air traffic control programs to skip training at its own ATC academy in Oklahoma City and go directly to on-the-job training at ATC facilities. The measure was among a series of immediate actions announced by the agency to boost ATC recruitment and increase staffing levels at facilities across the country. A shortage of controllers has been a common theme in various studies, reports and seminars on a spate of runway incursions and losses of separation in the past year. Skipping the academy for college ATC grads should increase capacity at the academy for other prospective controllers.

Previously, graduates from accredited Air Traffic-Collegiate Training Initiative (AT-CTI) programs had to go to the Oklahoma academy for at least seven weeks of the 12-week program there to get them ready for a facility. Those with degrees will now go straight to an operational ATC unit where they’ll begin the one- to three-year on-the-job training segment of their career. “The FAA will work with AT-CTI programs to ensure that graduates from these programs have the necessary skills to begin on-the-job training at a facility,” the agency said. “These graduates still must pass the Air Traffic Skills Assessment (ATSA) exam and meet medical and security requirements.” After finishing their supervised training, they become certified controllers. We’ve asked the National Air Traffic Controllers Association for comment on the move but didn’t hear back in time for our deadline.

AT-CTI trainees make up a significant number of applicants for ATC jobs so bypassing the academy for them should free up seats in the full 12-week program that so-called “off-the-street” trainees must undergo. The FAA will accept applicants who don’t go the university route provided they have work experience and/or education that make them suitable candidates. All candidates have to pass rigorous screening before being accepted for training by the FAA.

The agency said in its Friday statement it is also expanding the ATC academy and will ensure that every seat is filled. It will offer year-round acceptance of already-trained military and private-sector controllers and will have a total of four advanced training facilities in operation around the country by next spring. It also recently bought ATC simulators and will have them in 95 facilities by the end of 2025. The agency also intends to keep working on its safety culture with internal reporting structures and the continuation of safety meetings at ATC facilities."

LINK TO STORY, CLICK or found at Avweb dot com if the link doesn't work.
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I don't think they're particularly concerned at hiding anything:

"The Secretary of Transportation has set a hiring goal of three (3) percent per fiscal year for individuals with targeted (severe) disabilities.

Targeted disabilities are those disabilities that the federal government, as a matter of policy, has identified for special emphasis in recruitment and hiring. The targeted disabilities are:

Hearing (total deafness in both ears)
Vision (Blind)
Missing Extremities
Partial Paralysis
Complete Paralysis, Epilepsy
Severe intellectual disability
Psychiatric disability
Dwarfism"

FAA Outreach for DEI




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― H.L. Mencken

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A controller at PDK got a pilot in trouble killed.





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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:

A controller at PDK got a pilot in trouble killed.
Tell us "the rest of the story."



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I googled how to do brain surgery so if any forum member needs one, I'm willing to give you a substantial discount.



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Would you every make the midpoint of the runway a landing target?? Maybe massive runway, small plane, but outside that it seems like the latest possible spot and in the airplane land of lets try and be on the safe side of the grey line that is nuts.

My point is, is she in fact wrong?

Yes, I'll generally ask for a short approach (My preferred approach is power off abeam the numbers. If every landing is a power off landing, then if you ever have an engine failure it is just another landing. All you have to do is figure out where.) and if there is enough gap behind me and I'm done for the day I'll often ask for a short approach and long landing off at Charlie. The hangar is 3/4s of the way down the runway and a long landing avoids a long taxi after landing.
 
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This one didn't end well either

https://youtu.be/mf3xhjXl454




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I don't understand why there needs to be a petition. Can't the FAA investigate and make a ruling into this. If she is wrong she should be written up, apologize and take additional training. seems simple.
 
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A few more holes in this Swiss cheese, and I feel like we're fixing for another major air disaster in this country.

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Swiss Air jet nearly collides with four other planes on JFK runway

A Swiss Air jet nearly crashed into four other planes at JFK airport after a communications error put them on the runway at the same time.

The Zurich-bound Swiss Air flight had been cleared for takeoff on April 17 and began rushing down the runway, but hit the brakes after noticing that air traffic control also cleared the path for four other planes, ABC 7 reports.

https://nypost.com/2024/04/23/...yp&utm_medium=social

blancolirio covers it here and more...



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