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| quote: Originally posted by Oat_Action_Man:
I'm not being a dick, but clearly none of you work in a school. That's how lockdown drills are done.
You don't tell the kids. It's not a drill if you tell them. Trust me, the reactions are radically different if you tell them "drill at 10:00" vs. not telling them.
They are told a set of procedures, and you drill them to see how they react, if they follow the procedures and how you can improve. It's the same as a fire drill, just different procedures.
1) They aren't supposed to use phones. I can almost guarantee that's part of what they're told. The reason your kid said she couldn't talk and then didn't answer he phone is because someone probably saw her using it and told her to stop.
2) They shouldn't be going to the windows. Also directly the opposite of what they're told.
3) The police DO show up. They're part of the drill. I'm not sure how many show up in your area, but when we do a drill, we get 2 or 3. Those police come around and check that the procedures are being followed, including checking for locked doors, seeing if they can get kids to let them in without the right code phrase, etc.
4) It usually takes us at least 15 minutes to get the all clear.
Who knows, maybe something happened and there's a coverup, but, as someone who does this several times a year, you're overreacting.
Sounds largely like SOP.
Now if the kids have no idea what the procedures for lockdown are, then there's a bigger problem, but otherwise you're just talking about what is now the new normal in many if not most schools these days.
Bull he's overreacting. None of what you posted excuses keeping a concerned parent completely in the dark.
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| My kid graduated last year, but this is what her school did... Run a lock-down drill (call for lock-down, shelter in place) then when everyone is in place, announce the drill and state there is no danger, then announce that police would be securing the halls and performing a drug sweep. It takes all of 5 minutes to get from the drill to the "no danger" call, and explains why the officers are roaming the halls. No kids lashed out, no over dramatic panic. Had my kid called me describing what the OP did? I'd be in front of the school board/police chief pronto requesting answers.
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| Our school has it pretty well done. Tight security, on-site LEOs, and when they have had to lock down / secure, it's been pretty straightforward - either stay in your classrooms period, or stay in your classrooms and only leave during class changes.
Middle schoolers and it has been pretty much no drama, just heightened security event and parents get notified. Every time it has been because a car chase has gone near the school or reports of some meth heads nearby. |
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| quote: I'm not sure if I should address this with the principal, the school board, or the Sheriffs Department.
All 3 fucked up IMO. quote:
Run a lock-down drill (call for lock-down, shelter in place) then when everyone is in place, announce the drill and state there is no danger, then announce that police would be securing the halls and performing a drug sweep.
It takes all of 5 minutes to get from the drill to the "no danger" call, and explains why the officers are roaming the halls. No kids lashed out, no over dramatic panic.
Same here and the way it should happen. |
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| quote: Originally posted by Joe123:
Well when I went to school there was no cell phone. Parents would have heard about it at the end of the day, no big deal.
We didn't have cell phones when I was a kid either but in cases like this, I see them as a technological improvement which can potentially be helpful which is a big deal. quote: Now kids break the rules- no cell phone use to call mom and dad. They don't know how to handle it on there own, help is just a phone call away.
There's breaking the rules and then there's being a mindless automaton blindly following rules just because they're 'rules'. I can't fault a 13-year-old for 'breaking the rules' in circumstances such as those described. |
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| It just showed up on the local news. Four different police departments with four K9’s. Searched all 4 county high schools and only arrested one kid at a different school for a little bit of weed. Absolutely fucking ridiculous putting the kids through that. I’m sure all the kids will sleep better tonight knowing the devils weed is out of their schools. |
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| [flame suit] I'm gonna say this might be a good thing...kinda a glass is half full approach. I know y'all, as parents, are PO'd at the handling of this, but here's my take...maybe today's actions by the local LEO's will make an impression on the kids to make them think, "Hmmmmm...this drug stuff can REALLY get you in trouble and it looks like the police are pretty serious about it. Maybe I won't adopt this behavior that gets one in trouble like this." Just another way of looking at it and absolutely it could've been handled better. Yeah...I know it was a yuge PITA for y'all, as the parents. [/flame suit]
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| Until some panicked kid decides fuck this, I ain't sitting here waiting to get shot, and smashes a window or takes some action because they have no damn clue what's happening.
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| As a parent with kids in school... My emotional state would be somewhere between furious and incandescent rage, but I would try to deal with it in a productive way.
I wouldn't be upset about the lockdown drill or drug sweep, but keeping students and parents completely uninformed for that long is nuts
With all the attention the media pays to school shootings and mass murder, it is unconscionable to make a bunch of little kids think something like that might be happening to them, and then not to tell them everything is fine for so long. |
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| quote: Originally posted by Lord Vaalic:
Until some panicked kid decides fuck this, I ain't sitting here waiting to get shot, and smashes a window or takes some action because they have no damn clue what's happening.
That is exactly what I would do. I don't get the lockdown thing. It doesn't keep the bad guys out, and doubly so if they're already inside. It only keeps the innocents corralled in a confined space to make them easier targets. I wouldn't hesitate to smash a window and flee, if they told me it was anything other than a drill. |
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| I think you handled it well. The school is the one that screwed this up- royally. |
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| As for communicating with parents, dispatchers and clerical types can't tell whether the person on the line is legit or not. At least from the LE side, they aren't about to tell an unknown person where our assets are or what they are doing. |
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| quote: Originally posted by kidcop:
As for communicating with parents, dispatchers and clerical types can't tell whether the person on the line is legit or not. At least from the LE side, they aren't about to tell an unknown person where our assets are or what they are doing.
Whether a person is legit or not? You're a public entity. If there are a bunch of police officers outside of a public school, the public most certainly has a right to know why (excepting certain extenuating circumstances).
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| I think back before active shooter was a thing this would be less of a big deal but in todays world something needs to be said. Hell, just say its a drug sweep and have people in the halls keeping kids from lockers and such.
I'd have no issue calling and having a spirited debate with them about it. Surprise? sure. Super secret lockdown with no info? Seems unneccesary. |
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