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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie![]() |
Bull he's overreacting. None of what you posted excuses keeping a concerned parent completely in the dark. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Not as lean, not as mean, Still a Marine ![]() |
My kid graduated last year, but this is what her school did... Run a lock-down drill (call for lock-down, shelter in place) then when everyone is in place, announce the drill and state there is no danger, then announce that police would be securing the halls and performing a drug sweep. It takes all of 5 minutes to get from the drill to the "no danger" call, and explains why the officers are roaming the halls. No kids lashed out, no over dramatic panic. Had my kid called me describing what the OP did? I'd be in front of the school board/police chief pronto requesting answers. I shall respect you until you open your mouth, from that point on, you must earn it yourself. | |||
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I can see both sides but as a retired teacher I can tell you that when the drills are announced no one takes them seriously and laugh and joke through the whole process. This drill may have scared the crap out of them but it also better prepared them for the real thing. "Even if the world were perfect it wouldn't be." ... Yogi Berra | |||
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Sounds like a stupid way to handle a drug sweep to me. No way my kid would be in a public | |||
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Go ahead punk, make my day |
Our school has it pretty well done. Tight security, on-site LEOs, and when they have had to lock down / secure, it's been pretty straightforward - either stay in your classrooms period, or stay in your classrooms and only leave during class changes. Middle schoolers and it has been pretty much no drama, just heightened security event and parents get notified. Every time it has been because a car chase has gone near the school or reports of some meth heads nearby. | |||
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Go ahead punk, make my day |
All 3 fucked up IMO. Same here and the way it should happen. | |||
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We didn't have cell phones when I was a kid either but in cases like this, I see them as a technological improvement which can potentially be helpful which is a big deal.
There's breaking the rules and then there's being a mindless automaton blindly following rules just because they're 'rules'. I can't fault a 13-year-old for 'breaking the rules' in circumstances such as those described. | |||
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It's pronounced just the way it's spelled |
A lock down is about the damn dumbest way to handle an active shooter to begin with, and using it to keep kids from flushing their stash is borderline criminally stupid. How long before everyone assumes a real shooter lockdown is just another drug sweep? The local cops should NOT be lying to parents about what is going on at their kids school. Finally, kids should absolutely be able to call their parents in an emergency. If it isn't an emergency, then the school should tell the kids what it is. Let everyone involved know this is not acceptable. | |||
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Any experienced wasteoid knows to keep his doobage in the neomaxizumdweebee's pants anyway. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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It just showed up on the local news. Four different police departments with four K9’s. Searched all 4 county high schools and only arrested one kid at a different school for a little bit of weed. Absolutely fucking ridiculous putting the kids through that. I’m sure all the kids will sleep better tonight knowing the devils weed is out of their schools. | |||
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[flame suit] I'm gonna say this might be a good thing...kinda a glass is half full approach. I know y'all, as parents, are PO'd at the handling of this, but here's my take...maybe today's actions by the local LEO's will make an impression on the kids to make them think, "Hmmmmm...this drug stuff can REALLY get you in trouble and it looks like the police are pretty serious about it. Maybe I won't adopt this behavior that gets one in trouble like this." Just another way of looking at it and absolutely it could've been handled better. Yeah...I know it was a yuge PITA for y'all, as the parents. [/flame suit] "If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24 | |||
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Until some panicked kid decides fuck this, I ain't sitting here waiting to get shot, and smashes a window or takes some action because they have no damn clue what's happening. Don't weep for the stupid, or you will be crying all day | |||
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As a parent with kids in school... My emotional state would be somewhere between furious and incandescent rage, but I would try to deal with it in a productive way. I wouldn't be upset about the lockdown drill or drug sweep, but keeping students and parents completely uninformed for that long is nuts With all the attention the media pays to school shootings and mass murder, it is unconscionable to make a bunch of little kids think something like that might be happening to them, and then not to tell them everything is fine for so long. | |||
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That is exactly what I would do. I don't get the lockdown thing. It doesn't keep the bad guys out, and doubly so if they're already inside. It only keeps the innocents corralled in a confined space to make them easier targets. I wouldn't hesitate to smash a window and flee, if they told me it was anything other than a drill. | |||
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I think you handled it well. The school is the one that screwed this up- royally. | |||
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As for communicating with parents, dispatchers and clerical types can't tell whether the person on the line is legit or not. At least from the LE side, they aren't about to tell an unknown person where our assets are or what they are doing. | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie![]() |
Whether a person is legit or not? You're a public entity. If there are a bunch of police officers outside of a public school, the public most certainly has a right to know why (excepting certain extenuating circumstances). ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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I think back before active shooter was a thing this would be less of a big deal but in todays world something needs to be said. Hell, just say its a drug sweep and have people in the halls keeping kids from lockers and such. I'd have no issue calling and having a spirited debate with them about it. Surprise? sure. Super secret lockdown with no info? Seems unneccesary. | |||
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Reading is fundamental. It wasn't a drill. It was a drug sweep. Drills and drug sweeps are unfortunately necessary. Being a twat about it isn't. I have the heart of a lion.......and a lifetime ban from the Toronto Zoo.- Unknown | |||
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I'm a principal and have led our school through a couple of lockdowns that were related to a potential threat in the surrounding neighborhood. It's not fun at all. When we call a lockdown in this kind of circumstance, we don't give many details to folks, but we did tell the students and staff on the intercom that there was a situation in the surrounding area and we were going to lockdown as a precaution. If it was an actual active shooter, the announcement to the campus would be much different. BEFORE the rash of school shootings, we would place the school on lockdown when we had the drug dogs come in to do locker searches in order to keep students in classes while we handled the searches, but I wouldn't use that technique in our current climate, especially with all of the active assailant drills that we now must perform. In this climate of school violence, I would have handled the situation that you described MUCH differently. | |||
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