Because why would an officer pull up to a wreck (which that thread wasn't, but why would an accurate title matter?) and expect to get shot?



HOMECROFT, Ind. – A police officer died after being shot multiple times while responding to a traffic crash on the south side of Indianapolis, authorities said Thursday.

Lt. Aaron Allen of the Southport Police Department was responding to a crash with entrapment Thursday afternoon when he was shot, Sgt. Kendale Adams of the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department told reporters at a news conference. Allen died at Eskenazi Hospital, Adams said.

"Shots were fired by one of the vehicle's occupants, striking the Southport lieutenant," Adams said.

Two other officers at the scene, including one who was off-duty at the time, returned fire, striking a person inside the vehicle, Adams said. That person and a second person injured in the crash were hospitalized and in custody with non-life-threatening injuries. Their names were not immediately released.

Allen was a six-year veteran of the Southport department and had nearly 20 years of law enforcement experience, Southport Police Chief Thomas Vaughn said.

"Lieutenant Allen was a hard worker, and today was no different. He responded to a crash with urgency to preserve life. Tragically, his was lost," Vaughn said at the news conference.

Neighborhood resident Bryan McGary told WXIN-TV said the shooting was unusual for the area.

"It's just hard to believe that this would happen here. I mean I've lived here since 1976 and we really haven't had much. . We do have a lot of policemen in our area that live here so it's just one of those things," McGary said.

Southport is an enclave within the city limits of Indianapolis.

https://www.policeone.com/offi...onding-to-car-wreck/


RIP Lieutenant. 20 years to get killed trying to help someone who just got in a wreck.

RIP Lieutenant.

Prayers for his loved ones.

There is truly evil in this world.

Prayers for the officer and his family.

Shitty way to go. So senseless.

Rest In Peace, Officer.


We had a similar incident yesterday morning. Car accident, friend shows up, starts shooting at the responding fire truck.

Rip Lt Allen.

You just don't hear of anything ever happening in Homecroft. Sad Day.

It’s incidents like this that point out a fundamental difference in they types of dangers faced by law enforcement officers and workers in other dangerous jobs. Being a lumberjack, for example, has its significant hazards, but not one has ever been killed by a tree that suddenly made a conscious decision to fall over on him.

Cases like this help me understand why cops react they way they do like in the wrong address shooting thread. I still don't like it, but I understand it.

Rest in peace, officer. What a shame.

Why was he shot? Any idea?

All unexpected death is tragic. Even more so when it didn't need to happen.

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It’s incidents like this that point out a fundamental difference in they types of dangers faced by law enforcement officers and workers in other dangerous jobs. Being a lumberjack, for example, has its significant hazards, but not one has ever been killed by a tree that suddenly made a conscious decision to fall over on him.

It's like saying there's a fundamental difference in the types of danger between a commercial diver and a lumberjack. Not one lumberjack has ever been eaten by a shark while chopping trees down in the woods.

Dead is dead. Gun. Tree. Getting hit by a car. Heat stroke. Shark. Electrocution. There is no difference. Risk is risk, danger is danger. It all comes in different forms.

Electricians aren't the only people electrocuted. Lumberjacks aren't the only people killed by falling trees. Race car drivers aren't the only ones killed in car crashes. Police officers aren't the only ones shot by bad guys.

We have had regular people shot and/or almost shot stopping at accident scenes here locally. One just the other day posted by another forum member. It's a dangerous world out there, and we all live, work, and negotiate it daily. Fortunately in our local case, only the bad guy paid the price:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/l...b9-66de82ca00e7.html

To all forum members, LEOs included. Please be safe out there.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Why was he shot? Any idea?

Para, my guess would be that he was shot just because he was a cop.

On a slightly separate note, how hard would it be for some idiot with a desire to "make his bones" to plan something like this?

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
We have had regular people shot and/or almost shot stopping at accident scenes here locally. One just the other day posted by another forum member. It's a dangerous world out there, and we all live, work, and negotiate it daily.

Right on queue.

Translation: A cop getting shot is simply an occupational hazard common to many other jobs.

We had a comprehensive officer survival training program in my department. We focused on controlling the "controllables" and preparing to meet the unexpected. No matter how good your training and tactics are, now and again the Reaper comes from an unexpected direction and gets through. If the bad guy scores first in an out and out ambush, you may not have any options.

I began all my in-service classes with the following statement: "Right now there is someone out there on the street who wants to kill you because you are a cop. The only reason you and he are both still alive is that you have not yet crossed paths. Hopefully you never will meet. But if you do, your training and your skill is your edge".

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Right on queue.

Translation: A cop getting shot is simply an occupational hazard common to many other jobs.

It is. And it is only brought up after we are all reminded about how dangerous being a police is compared to other work.

My uncle was killed by a shotgun blast to his face at work. He was a plumber.

We get it. Being a cop can be dangerous. So can being anything else. Why do some feel the constant need to tell us that their jobs are so much more dangerous than the statistics show?

I didn't "bring it up on cue". A police officer did.

I don't know what you think you're doing by bringing your prejudices against the police into a thread such as this. You certainly aren't making any friends on the board with this kind of thing.

One thing I do know is that you're proud of your own obstinance on this point. After all the times I've addressed this with you, for you to show up in this thread is audacious.

And I didn't say "bring it up on queue".

Read the words I typed. You showed up "Right on queue".

I've commented on several threads this morning. I wasn't attracted like a moth to this particular topic. In fact, I tend to read them all.

I don't want to run Chongo's thread off the rails. Can I start a separate thread on this? Perhaps have an e-mail conversation?

The time to be concerned about derailing this thread would have been before you posted your completely innocent, only factual, entirely objective post which stated that police face the same risks of getting shot as any number of other occupations.

I address this with you once again and the obtuse behavior begins; "I didn't bring this up". No, I didn't say you did. "This isn't the only thread I've read this morning". No, I didn't say it was, and furthermore, what would it matter if it were?
You seem like an intelligent man, until I begin to press you on this subject, and then it seems to be a whole new world for you, as if you and I have not already trod this ground- as if I have not already stated to you repeatedly the issue I take with your posts on law enforcement.

Even if you feel that there is absolutely nothing wrong with your attitude towards and comments about law enforcement, you know without any doubt that I do take issue with these things. So, it seems to me that the prudent thing to do would be to avoid law enforcement threads altogether. And this is where we get to the part about obstinance.


I can only restate to you all the things I've said to you about this subject. What's the point of that?

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I do take issue with these things.

And that's where I would like specific clarification. Because I don't see "hate" where you do, and I do see plenty of it that apparently you don't. Hence a conversation if you would have the time. I would really like to know, specifically, why you feel the way you do about what I say.

a1abdj, I have- on several occasions- explained all of this to you. Some members of the forum have expressed- in varying degrees of anger- the same things to you.
I've explained myself to you far more than I usually do in situations like this. I see no reason to keep saying the same things over and over. You won't accept these observations from me or any other member who has taken exception to your attitude towards law enforcement. It's simply a grand mystery to you why I and others would be saying these things to you.

There's an entire forum full of different subjects available for you. You are welcome to explore those threads.

Chongo I see what you are doing here and I still don't think it justifies an officer shooting an unarmed civilian for getting out of his car. It is terrible that this officer was killed but that doesn't mean that people deserve to be shot for basically no reason simply because officers do a dangerous job in a dangerous world.