quote:

Originally posted by Ackks:
Everyone has a tracker in their car called a cell phone. Don't forget to throw those out the window

They can only track the ones they know about and that is the reason criminals have burner phones.

quote:

Originally posted by jljones:
This thread isn’t titled “removing a repoman/jealous husband/wife” tracker from your car.

It specifically says “police”. I’m telling you what will happen if you remove a LE tracker. You are removing property that is not yours.

Enjoy.

Edited- Para nailed it. Calling the police if you locate a “device” also gets you the answer to the “why” if it isn’t the police.

jljones, The part you seemed to have missed is the first 30 seconds of the video, and this from the OP’s posted text:
“Even if the item isn’t marked as police property.”

The GPS is not marked.
What is your assessment now?

quote:

Originally posted by tatortodd:
They can only track the ones they know about and that is the reason criminals have burner phones.

Some people have put a lot of thought into the things in this thread

Yeah, put it on a bus bound for San Clemente'

Just rent/buy a second car....

Another option is sell the car with the GPS tracker attached.

Karma it off here then ship to the winner.

I think, if i found an unknown gps tracker attached to my car, id drop by the nearest police station and report it as an attempt at serveillance by an unknown party.

Id let that police department remove it. Then, they can work out amongst themselves who committed the crime, and who to charge.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:

Repomen use them all the time.

At the risk of thread drift, I've never seen it used by 'repo men.'

I have seen it used in connection with 'sub-prime' auto finance. In a nut shell meaning the person that financed the car has bad credit or no credit.

Basically, if the borrower stop paying the company that provided the loan has an idea where the car is located. The person that holds the loan tells the repo man where they might locate the car. (That is, the repo man cannot independently make an inquiry. At least in the systems I've seen.)

In every situation I've seen, the borrower has signed a release that allows a gps to be added to the car and allows it to be replaced if it fails (or disappears).

If the borrower has horrible credit, the lender sometimes requires a starter interrupt. If they the borrower does not make the loan payments and ignore notices, they will not be able to start the car.

While these may sound like extremes, realize that some lender is financing a car for a person that has probably defaulted on other loans... basically giving them a second (or third) chance to be responsible. The lender has fronted thousands of dollars for the purchase of the car - so taking these electronic steps is a way to reduce the risk of loss.

I'm a CPA and have many client that provide sub-prime auto finance. GPS trackers are just one of many technologies used to find cars.

Interestingly, companies provide location services. Some drive along streets at night and, using imaging software, record license plates and where the car was parked. For a fee, they will tell a lender whether the license plate is in their database and where the car has been parked.

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Originally posted by smschulz:

quote:

Originally posted by jljones:
GPS trackers require a court order. Unless you plan on dropping it back off at the station, it’s felony theft. And a half dozen other felonies.

Yeah, I don't think so.
If you go pawn it then maybe you could call it theft.
Do they have a warning "DO NOT REMOVE UNDER PENALTY OF LAW"?
How the hell is anyone going to know it's a PO PO device anyway?

I say treat it like a mattress tag.

If The Man is putting tracking devices on your car, you're probably not the type to give a shit if they're tracking you.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

quote:

Originally posted by cparktd:
Would they not have to prove that it didn't just fall off?

Remove... toss out the window on the freeway.

You're supposed to attach it to a bus going to San Jose or Cincinatti or some damn place.

Or on a train
Shipping container headed to Mexico
Ship headed to Canada
In a 5 ga bucket of shit & piss in the middle of an alley on the other side of town.


Yeah, all true stories.

This thread is one of those head scratchers. If I found what I thought was a tracker of any kind on my car I would and in this order, take it off, toss it out a window somewhere, and sit back and let the police in question prove anything. Btw, I’m not a drug dealer or spy but fuck any govt organization that tried to spy on me. It wouldn’t be the first time the authorities were wrong. I’m a law and order guy but I’m not anybodies bitch. If they placed it on my car they made a mistake. I wouldn’t publicize that I tossed it. The burden of proof that I did it would rest on them. Good luck with that. Show us the case where they successfully prosecuted under the “I’m not a social media idiot” scenario I posted.

If it was a legal warrant, albeit incorrectly applied on my car, they would be out one tracker. Oops. Sleep like a baby too. Lol

quote:

Originally posted by kimber1911:

quote:

Originally posted by jljones:
This thread isn’t titled “removing a repoman/jealous husband/wife” tracker from your car.

It specifically says “police”. I’m telling you what will happen if you remove a LE tracker. You are removing property that is not yours.

Enjoy.

Edited- Para nailed it. Calling the police if you locate a “device” also gets you the answer to the “why” if it isn’t the police.

jljones, The part you seemed to have missed is the first 30 seconds of the video, and this from the OP’s posted text:
“Even if the item isn’t marked as police property.”

The GPS is not marked.
What is your assessment now?

No, I didn’t miss a thing.

quote:

Originally posted by jljones:

quote:

Originally posted by kimber1911:
jljones, The part you seemed to have missed is the first 30 seconds of the video, and this from the OP’s posted text:
“Even if the item isn’t marked as police property.”

The GPS is not marked.
What is your assessment now?

No, I didn’t miss a thing.

OK, this is just getting silly. Removing an UNMARKED device (might not even know what it is), of UNKNOWN origin from my car is a crime. Bullshit.

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Originally posted by MNSIG:

quote:

Originally posted by jljones:

quote:

Originally posted by kimber1911:
jljones, The part you seemed to have missed is the first 30 seconds of the video, and this from the OP’s posted text:
“Even if the item isn’t marked as police property.”

The GPS is not marked.
What is your assessment now?

No, I didn’t miss a thing.

OK, this is just getting silly. Removing an UNMARKED device (might not even know what it is), of UNKNOWN origin from my car is a crime. Bullshit.

It is getting silly. You aren’t a criminal under investigation. If you were under surveillance, it would apply to you. It doesn’t and that’s the thing people can’t seem to wrap their heads around. It doesn’t apply to you removing something from your vehicle, or something mistaken applied to your vehicle. If you are legitimately under surveillance, you won’t dump it like in the movies because it’s a device that transmits movement. Why? Because you are under surveillance. But, I’m guessing that all the people that are worked up it also doesn’t apply to.

People wring their hands about catching a charge over shouldering a pistol. But, yet, they think that a person legitimately under surveillance is going to suffer no consequence for tampering with evidence in the criminal case against them. That the “Shit, my bad bro” defense is actually going to work this time.

You are very correct. This has gotten pretty silly.

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Originally posted by jljones:


But, yet, they think that a person legitimately under surveillance is going to suffer no consequence for tampering with evidence in the criminal case against them. That the “Shit, my bad bro” defense is actually going to work this time.

So what is the actual law then?
Be specific, don't cite some bullshit about theft because we know that it does not apply.
I get it you do not want someone to thwart an investigation but how is it illegal?
You plant a mic in a room and someone finds it - can you stomp it like a bug>
Of course you can.
Would anyone listening in like that - I am sure not.

How precise (within feet or yards) is the tracker? Enough so they can find it in the trash dumpster where I threw it? Don't want to litter.

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Originally posted by smschulz:

quote:

Originally posted by jljones:


But, yet, they think that a person legitimately under surveillance is going to suffer no consequence for tampering with evidence in the criminal case against them. That the “Shit, my bad bro” defense is actually going to work this time.

So what is the actual law then?
Be specific, don't cite some bullshit about theft because we know that it does not apply.
I get it you do not want someone to thwart an investigation but how is it illegal?
You plant a mic in a room and someone finds it - can you stomp it like a bug>
Of course you can.
Would anyone listening in like that - I am sure not.

Theft by unlawful taking (receiving stolen property is actually a much easier charge to prosecute) and tampering with physical evidence for starters.

Specifically.

Again, just sell the car on craigslist - then Jones can't throw you in the klink!