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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by cparktd:
Would they not have to prove that it didn't just fall off?

Remove... toss out the window on the freeway.

You're supposed to attach it to a bus going to San Jose.

He drove his car into LAX.....

I don’t know. Can you?

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Originally posted by jljones:
GPS trackers require a court order. Unless you plan on dropping it back off at the station, it’s felony theft. And a half dozen other felonies.

Yeah, I don't think so.
If you go pawn it then maybe you could call it theft.
Do they have a warning "DO NOT REMOVE UNDER PENALTY OF LAW"?
How the hell is anyone going to know it's a PO PO device anyway?
Lot of questions so few real answers.
Besides it just fell off by itself anyway.

IF the PO PO is following you and you give 'em the slip does that make you a criminal too.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Is this common for you guys? Police GPS tracker on your car? Why in the world would there be such a device on your car and why are you guys acting like this is so common and like the only question is 'can I pry it off', instead of 'WHY AM I BEING SURVEILLED??'

Good point Para. I simply posted the video as the case was presented. I think it raises an interesting question though from a pure legal perspective.

However, given the guy in this particular case did have drugs he would likely know why it was there. Or he could have thought an ex or angry drug dealer put it there. Who knows. Even though the guy is a scum bag I’d have a hard time convicting him for theft. I think.

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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by ffips:
Mr. Jones, could I convince you to use a reference line in your signature instead of underscores? Put [h r] inyour signature with no space between the h and r. It will shorten the size of the lines in your posts.

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Thanks.

Let me see what I can do.

Edited- Did that work?

Hell yes it did. Thanks, your posts have always messed up my phone screen.

If they put it on your car, and it is not tagged as "property or your local police department. If found please call this phone numer" then why isn't it considered a gift?

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Originally posted by smithbc:
If they put it on your car, and it is not tagged as "property or your local police department. If found please call this phone numer" then why isn't it considered a gift?

Or a bomb planted by Genovese or Gambino's?

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by cparktd:
Would they not have to prove that it didn't just fall off?

Remove... toss out the window on the freeway.

You're supposed to attach it to a bus going to San Jose or Cincinatti or some damn place.

Would it be too redundant to attach it to one of these?

"GPS trackers require a court order. Unless you plan on dropping it back off at the station, it’s felony theft. And a half dozen other felonies."

jljones will have to back that up with court cases. Yup the courts say you can't add one without a judge since its a search. But removing one you have no knowledge of the owner and purpose, you simply are not going to lose in court.

Just mail it to the nearest police precinct.

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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by Jimineer:

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Originally posted by jljones:
GPS trackers require a court order. Unless you plan on dropping it back off at the station, it’s felony theft. And a half dozen other felonies.

Apparently the Indiana Supreme Court hasn’t ruled that that is the case - in Indiana. If it isn’t marked, how would you know who it belongs to, or what it is for that matter?

Pretty simple.

Call the police. Report a “device” that you have located on your vehicle.

Laugh when they pull it off of your vehicle. Keeps you from catching a charge in the event that it is police.

I’m also pretty sure there are SCOTUS cases that require a court order. Signed by a circuit court judge.

IF i found a device on my truck, even if it was marked property of police whatever, it is coming off. And the battery is coming out.
It will sit on the workbench in the garage until they knock on my door asking me if I have seen it when I will smile politely and return it to them.

A court approval for the police to place a surveillance device on my truck is not a court order for me to leave it on my truck and removing it from my own property being theft is bullshit.

I have a nice anvil out in the garage I bought years ago. I also have a 30# sledge hammer out there. Mating the pair with the unknown device inbetween might be fun. After one or two solid hits, it will stop transmitting.

It takes a tremendous amount of PC to put a tracker on a vehicle. If you find a police tracker on your vehicle, someone didn’t do their job properly. Ive been doing this for more than two decades and can count on one hand how many times I’ve even HEARD of it being done (not counting police vehicles). Hell, we don’t even have to do it on company cars anymore. The car itself, the computer, the radios, the in car video, and the body cams are all gps enabled.

Besides, who needs trackers. Everyone carries around their own gps tracking device in their pockets these days. I don’t worry so much about what law enforcement does, I worry about what private industry does with all that location information they collect...

Some random thread drift that occurred to me...

Here in CO your automobile is considered an "Extension of your home". I know this specifically because it's related to firearms. Here in CO you do not need a CCW/permit/whatever to have a concealed handgun in your car. If you are legally allowed to posses a handgun, you can carry it in your vehicle without government permission (permit) and you are not breaking the law.

I realize these are state specific laws, just wondering how the opinions would change since the police are attaching something to "an extension of your home". Maybe nothing changes, just curious.

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Originally posted by jljones:He drove his car into LAX.....

...where our surveillance can't follow because of flight paths. Or put on a bus to San Clemente.

Good to see I wasn't the only one thinking this.

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Originally posted by 1967Goat:
Some random thread drift that occurred to me...

Here in CO your automobile is considered an "Extension of your home". I know this specifically because it's related to firearms. Here in CO you do not need a CCW/permit/whatever to have a concealed handgun in your car. If you are legally allowed to posses a handgun, you can carry it in your vehicle without government permission (permit) and you are not breaking the law.

I realize these are state specific laws, just wondering how the opinions would change since the police are attaching something to "an extension of your home". Maybe nothing changes, just curious.

A court order is still going to be a court order. Just the same if it was to wire tap your house.

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Originally posted by 83v45magna:

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Originally posted by jljones:He drove his car into LAX.....

...where our surveillance can't follow because of flight paths. Or put on a bus to San Clemente.

Good to see I wasn't the only one thinking this.

Greatest movie of all time.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Is this common for you guys? Police GPS tracker on your car? Why in the world would there be such a device on your car and why are you guys acting like this is so common and like the only question is 'can I pry it off', instead of 'WHY AM I BEING SURVEILLED??'

^^^^^
Para they are very common. Typically they are used to track someone who they believe is dealing drugs. At least on the state level.

Return it to the police by attaching it to the first cruiser you see

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Originally posted by copaup:
It takes a tremendous amount of PC to put a tracker on a vehicle....

^^^^^
PC is PC. There aren't different levels.