That would make a great episode of Air Disasters, except I suspect not enough investigation to fill an hour.
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July 18, 2017, 05:24 AM
kkina
Yep, I saw this on a Mayday Crash Investigation, aka Air Disasters. Amazing that it's not a more well-known story.
The day before the flight, a windscreen was replaced. Instead of checking maintenance documentation, the maintenance engineer simply replaced retention bolts manually like-for-like. Unfortunately, the old screen had been installed with the wrong sized bolts. Although brand new, the replacement screws were either too small in diameter or too short in length. In flight, the new windscreen blew out when the pressure difference exceeded the strength of the malfitted assembly.
Not to be ghoulish, but I'd be interested to know what injuries Captain Lancaster sustained.
Hypoxia and Hypothermia at the very least I would suspect, plus various injuries from being pounded around by the wind. Miracle that he survived.
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July 18, 2017, 05:37 AM
kkina
quote:
Originally posted by PHPaul: Not to be ghoulish, but I'd be interested to know what injuries Captain Lancaster sustained.
Hypoxia and Hypothermia at the very least I would suspect, plus various injuries from being pounded around by the wind. Miracle that he survived.
"There were no major injuries during the flight. Much to everyone's surprise, Lancaster was found to be alive, and was taken to Southampton General Hospital, where he was found to be suffering from frostbite, bruising and shock, and fractures to his right arm, left thumb and right wrist. Flight attendant Nigel Ogden suffered a dislocated shoulder, frostbitten face and some frostbite damage to his left eye. Everyone else left the aircraft unhurt.[4]
Less than five months after the accident Lancaster was working again [flying]."
"There were no major injuries during the flight. Much to everyone's surprise, Lancaster was found to be alive, and was taken to Southampton General Hospital, where he was found to be suffering from frostbite, bruising and shock, and fractures to his right arm, left thumb and right wrist. Flight attendant Nigel Ogden suffered a dislocated shoulder, frostbitten face and some frostbite damage to his left eye. Everyone else left the aircraft unhurt.[4]
Less than five months after the accident Lancaster was working again [flying]."
Originally posted by PHPaul: Not to be ghoulish, but I'd be interested to know what injuries Captain Lancaster sustained.
Hypoxia and Hypothermia at the very least I would suspect, plus various injuries from being pounded around by the wind. Miracle that he survived.
The only way he survived I imagine was the dive. 17,000 ft is too cold and not enough oxygen I would think. How he didn't have massive trauma to his brain from the air speed is amazing.
The flight crew saved the day there, without them everyone would be dead.
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July 18, 2017, 06:20 AM
V-Tail
quote:
Originally posted by Skins2881: 17,000 ft ... not enough oxygen
Disregarding the other problems, 17,000' should be readily survivable from the standpoint of oxygen if there is an immediate descent.
To put it in perspective, the regs specify that required crew members must use oxygen if above 12,500' for more than 30 minutes, always if above 14,000', and oxygen must be available (not required to use, just "available") for non-crew above 15,000'.
Absent other restrictions, a descent from 17,000' can be made at a rate of several thousand feet / minute, so the oxygen part of the situation is not a fatal thing. The other problems were probably much more signifiant.
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July 18, 2017, 07:32 AM
JALLEN
The standard loss of cabin pressure response in a Piper Malibu or Mirage is to dive to a safe altitude below 12,000'.
You have to demonstrate the procedure on every check ride. Level cruise speed at FL250, pull the pressure switch. The cabin immediately is REALLY REALLY COLD, the windscreen frosts over. You reduce to gear speed, lower the gear, pitch over to 45 degrees, lower the nose and descend at 6,000 fpm, being careful to not over red line and rip the tail off. It takes 2 minutes to get to 12,000'.
Time of useful consciousness at FL250 is typically 4-5 minutes or more. At FL390 it might be a few seconds. At 17,000' it is more than enough but not indefinite.
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July 18, 2017, 08:15 AM
Sgt Neutron
Similar incident in a KA-6 tanker, with the added problem of landing on an aircraft carrier:
July 18, 2017, 12:11 PM
Pipe Smoker
Did the captain have his seat belt fastened?
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July 18, 2017, 12:45 PM
lakeray
According to the wiki page: "Both pilots subsequently released their shoulder harnesses, while Lancaster loosened his lap belt as well."
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July 18, 2017, 12:51 PM
Rey HRH
quote:
Originally posted by kkina: I believe Lancaster and the rest of the flight crew became lifelong friends after the incident.
You go through something like that...
that's really a "shit hits the fan" scenario.
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July 18, 2017, 12:56 PM
mrbill345
Hypoxia wasn't going to be an issue. Actually hypothermia is a benefit as it decreases cerebral oxygen requirements. There have been many studies done using hypothermia for cardiac arrest victims.
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July 18, 2017, 02:28 PM
downtownv
quote:
Originally posted by Rey HRH:
quote:
Originally posted by kkina: I believe Lancaster and the rest of the flight crew became lifelong friends after the incident.