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Was going to post in the Gun Control section but didn't see much activity there. Any restrictions to selling a complete AR upper with or without bolt? Like the mag restrictions that some states have. Would rather not agree to sell one then find out the potential buyer is in a restricted state. I know it's not a serialized item but are there any states that will only sell them through an FFL transfer? What's the best shipping service for shipping an upper? UPS, FedEX or USPS. Are any of these companies giving issues to shipping complete uppers only? What about barrel lengths? Any states with restrictions on barrel lengths? Thanks in advance. " like i said,....i didn't build it, i didn't buy it, and i didn't break it." | ||
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None of that is a federal issue. And I've all that stuff delivered to my house in AZ, no FFL involved. I wouldn't tell UPS or FedEx if I were shipping an entire gun (to an FFL) and certainly not "machined metal parts" to a non-FFL. None of their business. Of course, they won't pay a claim on that if it's lost, stolen or damaged. | |||
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My only thought would be if you were selling a <16" bbl to someone that doesn't have an available pistol or SBR lower. Not sure if you'd be 3rd party liable there, or if it's all on the buyer at that point. I don't believe there's any restriction on buying a complete upper from the many vendors online, it's on you to avoid 'constructive intent' I suyppose. The Enemy's gate is down. | |||
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As far as restricted states, there is nothing banned for CA as far as uppers (except suppressors obviously), the buyer just needs to make sure when they put it together it’s in a legal configuration. ...Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, was just a freight train coming your way... | |||
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Don't try to sell one to anyone in Illinois as it is a banned item being an "assault weapon attachment". Personally I would not sell to anyone in a state with an AWB, just not worth it. https://www.isp.illinois.gov/Home/AssaultWeapons --- see 14,15,16 | |||
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^^^ That sucks. It’s just a part(s). I would think that the only liability would be on the buyer if they hinged an upper with a short barrel or such to a lower. | |||
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Yeah it does and not allowed for sale in Illinois, so I wouldn't recommend anyone trying to sell to anyone that lives here either. No online retailers will ship them to Illinois either. You don't see ANY AR-15 related parts in gun stores other than 10 round magazines. Tons of FFLs have gone out of business in Illinois too due to draconian laws/regulations put in place to punish them and make it hard for them to make a profit. I fear if we don't see relief from Supreme Court on these AWB/magazine bans during the next term we never will. | |||
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I’m sorry but I have to disagree on the bolded part. I was going to ship a rifle to a gunsmith in April. UPS guy said, “DO NOT try to claim it as anything but a gun because they x-ray everything.” Yes, I’m sure one, two or five might get through but I’ll be damned if I’m going to possibly lose a rifle just on a “chance”. It just isn’t worth it. This rifle had already been precision “blueprinted” and was going to a gunsmith for a new barrel and stock. 30 years ago maybe…now? Fuggetaboutit. YMMV, I’m not a lawyer and it’s cheaper in the long run to follow their STUPID rules. As far as the OP’s question, I just had a complete upper delivered to my door. I live in a free state (AZ) that doesn’t care unless it’s a frame with a serial number. -------- After the game, the King and the pawn go into the same box. | |||
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| King Nothing |
You know what’s funny is how anti-2A CA seems, but there are so many people working against it here that we have at least a decent 2A existence when I compare it to some other places. I have an AR pistol with a 9” 300blk and have never even thought twice about getting AR parts here, other than what I configure it to and what vendors are willing to ship. I monthly contribute to CRPA and they’re suing the shit out of this state and I’m technically party to a couple other suits because it means something to me. Hopefully when people are basically deprived of liberties their whole life they’ll stand up and fight back in the courts like this sad state. There have been tons of suits against CA and we are winning, so if your state is denying your rights, at least contribute to the fighters if you can’t do it yourself. ...Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, was just a freight train coming your way... | |||
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I don't doubt someone told you that, but I don't believe they x-ray everything at all. In fact, it weren't a criminal issue, I wouldn't even shy away from mailing USPS. I have had a P365 get mailed via USPS LOADED by an FFL and dropped off on a porch with no signature required. I've had manufacturers mail my guns back to me at my house with no signature required and I'm not an FFL. Sure, it's anecdotal. But it has happened to me several times. I've mailed several guns to FFLs via FedEX or UPS and not disclosed the contents beyond "machined metal parts." | |||
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And that's what we live with. Fucked by the state. Fucked by people supposedly on our side, even with no legal reason or risk.  I can walk in any gun store in the state and legally buy an upper, despite laws about what it can be used with. For that matter, same goes for lowers. | |||
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There is no problem selling only an upper to a NY resident. Send it… | |||
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In CA if you don’t have a SBR lower (impossible to get for non LEO) or a pistol lower (pay a kings ransom via private party or you bought it a long time ago) wouldn’t having a less than 16 inch upper possibly be considered constructive possession ? People have been tossed into the clink for far less | |||
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The latest insult to Massachusetts gunowners, H4885, has wording that has many wondering if an upper is now a regulated part. Harshest Dream, Reality | |||
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| King Nothing |
AR pistols are now easy with the “bolt action repeaters” like Franklin Armory CA7. Just make it mag locked, swap the upper, and supposedly you’re good to go. I do believe if all you have is a rifle lower and are found with short barreled upper, they can try to argue the constructive possession, though I haven’t heard of anyone being arrested for that yet. Of course that’s assuming you keep them separated. ...Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, was just a freight train coming your way... | |||
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thanks for the feedback. looks like some states are not friendly to AR parts. i found a list on PSA website of the states and restrictions. on the aim surplus website one can add item to cart then enter the shipping zip code, it will say if they ship or not. " like i said,....i didn't build it, i didn't buy it, and i didn't break it." | |||
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PSA and AIM both have more restrictions than state laws. Just because they won’t ship, doesn’t mean it’s illegal. | |||
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The Illinois law is purposely very ambiguous and nefarious and driving gun stores out of business . It was supposedly written by the Bloomberg anti gun people. They wanted to put a stop to those who had just a "lower" as insurance thinking that later they could easily make a full rifle/pistol out of it later by getting the other parts for it. In Illinois AWB "attachments" are supposed to be registered. So if someone has say a now banned a spare Magpul adjustable stock or pistol grip or forearm it is supposed to be registered and if not then possible felony charges. That is insane and since the definition of "attachment" is ambiguous no one wants to sell any thing AR-15 related to us subjects in Illinois. Yeah I contribute regularly to SAF and Illinois State Rifle Association but a pathetic low percentage of gun owners here do that as evidenced by the low percentage of FOID holders are members of the ISRA. I have seen a guy turn down a discounted membership for ISRA at LGS and then see him in the parking lot getting into his 70K truck but hey we all have priorities. | |||
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| King Nothing |
It is crazy we’ve seen a lot of those attempts at making ambiguous laws because they can just pass whatever the hell they want and then it’s on the gun owners and gun organizations to sue to overturn something the state KNEW was unconstitutional to begin with. One of the suits was over a Title 1 firearm and it was brought up during a budget hearing or something and only the person against it got to speak to it and the government people at the hearing basically said they didn’t really understand it, but it didn’t sound good so they went ahead and prohibited the company from selling a Title 1 firearm. Naturally the lawsuit came shortly after, but how is that even a part of governing these things, eh sidebar look at this evil thing, oh ya I guess it’s evil outlaw it. It’s pretty maddening that they basically just deny rights until someone fights it. We’ve at least had a couple judges and even a couple in the ninth circuit rule in our favor in many cases, so there’s a tiny sliver of hope ha. ...Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, was just a freight train coming your way... | |||
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