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Here it comes Fees for ev's

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March 06, 2024, 05:46 PM
downtownv
Here it comes Fees for ev's
Trenton considers a new annual fee for electric vehicles owners and a gas tax hike
Juan Carlos Castillo
Asbury Park Press



Those driving an electric vehicle might have to pay a new annual fee, under a new bill introduced in Trenton that seeks to prevent shortfalls in the state's road infrastructure funding.

If approved, the new measure will go into effect in July asking electric vehicle owners to pay a $250 fee in the following fiscal year. After that, the fee would increase by $10 annually until reaching $290 by the end of the next five-year period.

Of course NJ steps right up with a new tax!

https://www.app.com/story/news...asburypark-nletter04


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March 06, 2024, 05:51 PM
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Shock I say!
March 06, 2024, 05:52 PM
nhtagmember
I think that's a good start but not quite enough

If the average road tax is 8% per gallon for an ICE engine, thats what is helping pay for roadway maintenance

EV's pay none but still use the roads

and I don't recall getting a rebate on my purchase of my car either
March 06, 2024, 05:54 PM
.38supersig
Just a matter of time before they try to apply the tax to everything.

Then call it a 'commonsense' tax and tell us that 'it is the right thing to do.' Roll Eyes



March 06, 2024, 06:03 PM
LS1 GTO
My understanding is in CA you are required to use special transformers(?) installed in your residence to charge the car. From there, the meter on it adds additional fees/taxes.

than is, you cannot plug your car into the existing 110VAC or 220 VAC (think: dryer) circuit and charge from 0200 to 0400 at the cheapest rte for electricity.






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March 06, 2024, 06:08 PM
PR64
As a EV owner I have mixed feelings about this.

Yes, I use the roads but I don’t drive much. In 8 months of ownership I have only driven 1,800 miles or so. @ $290 a year that would cost me $24 a month in taxes when I only average about 200 miles a month. That’s bullshit for someone like me.

In CA they charge me more for registration on my EV.

A mileage tax would be an alternative but I don’t want to be tracked by the government either.

When the EV mandate kicks in, they will have to do something for road maintenance money.


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March 06, 2024, 06:10 PM
PR64
quote:
Originally posted by LS1 GTO:
My understanding is in CA you are required to use special transformers(?) installed in your residence to charge the car. From there, the meter on it adds additional fees/taxes.

than is, you cannot plug your car into the existing 110VAC or 220 VAC (think: dryer) circuit and charge from 0200 to 0400 at the cheapest rte for electricity.


I have never heard of this. I live in California.

Reference?

I charge from a 220 outlet that’s powered mostly from my solar panel system.


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March 06, 2024, 06:16 PM
comet24
How much do the federal and state governments make off gas tax? It's a lot.

Anyone with half a brain saw this coming.

The Biden Administration has proposed new emissions standards that would effectively require 67.5% of U.S. vehicle sales to be electric by 2032.

I don't see those numbers happening or coming close but someone going to have to pick up the loss is tax revenue if a large portion of cars are not using gas and those not paying that tax.


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March 06, 2024, 06:21 PM
Anush
TN has had an annual EV fee for some time. Also 100% of Gas tax & EV fee goes for roads.


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March 06, 2024, 06:23 PM
vthoky
quote:
Originally posted by PR64:
In CA they charge me more for registration on my EV.


Admittedly a little off topic:
Virginia charges me more for my diesel sedan. "Fuel efficient? Great! But we still need yo' money, punk. Gonna pay us less fuel tax? We'll just take it outta your pocket on your annual registration renewal."




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March 06, 2024, 06:27 PM
ElToro
Heard an interesting discussion today. Due to the weight of EV they use tires at a faster rate and with the engine efficiency of modern ICE cars there is almost negligible difference in actual particulate pollution. Before measuring the mining of materials needed for EV vs ICE cars of course. But while on the road they are roughly the same pollution wise. Which is basically none. So while I am opposed to taxes in general if taxes are to be applied maybe EV should have a mileage tax applied. If ICE drivers are the only ones paying gas taxes.
March 06, 2024, 06:46 PM
71 TRUCK
If I am not mistaken don't some states already do a yearly mileage tax on all cars?




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March 06, 2024, 07:06 PM
HRK
JMO it's fair, you drive on the city/county/state/federal roads, then you need to pay to maintain the roads, just like everyone else, regardless of how far you drive.

Those roads are paid for and maintained with taxpayer funds.

It's better than a mileage tax, as was said we really don't want that being sent to governments.
March 07, 2024, 12:24 AM
1s1k
Like any other b.s. tax it should be a usage tax.
March 07, 2024, 01:26 AM
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March 07, 2024, 03:14 AM
Prefontaine
quote:
Originally posted by ElToro:
Heard an interesting discussion today. Due to the weight of EV they use tires at a faster rate


Nah. Blanket statements about things are many times bullshit. My EV weighs 3340 pounds. That’s lighter than most passenger gasoline cars on the road. Actually that is lighter than most cars, with only a few sports cars lighter. Been driving it for 10 years now. But by all means keep up with the electric propulsion is the devil.



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March 07, 2024, 07:45 AM
myrottiety
quote:
Originally posted by nhtagmember:
I think that's a good start but not quite enough

If the average road tax is 8% per gallon for an ICE engine, thats what is helping pay for roadway maintenance

EV's pay none but still use the roads

and I don't recall getting a rebate on my purchase of my car either


Basically this. I think I pay $250 on my tag renewal here in GA. It's because I don't pay tax on gas but use roads. Same thing here. This is nothing new & has been around for years.




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March 07, 2024, 08:35 AM
Rick Lee
quote:
If approved, the new measure will go into effect in July asking electric vehicle owners to pay a $250 fee in the following fiscal year.


Oh, they're only asking? Then I'd politely decline.


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March 07, 2024, 09:01 AM
dking271
The economics of EVs doesn’t make sense and if it did the markets would make it happen. Government mandates generally do not work. As much as I do not like taxes, this tax is fair in general. The roads we use cost money. EVs only make sense because the rest of us ICE drivers are subsidizing them. Electricity as a commodity is finite due to both our capacity to manufacture/harness and the grid in which it is supplied. The cost to repair EVs after accidents is astronomically high compared to ICE vehicles and insurance carriers are spreading that cost among everyone. As I hear EV adopters complain about being charged to hook up to charging stations, road use taxes, and higher insurance rates… thank the climate change religion worshipers and pay your fair share. Big Grin


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March 07, 2024, 09:41 AM
1gkek
quote:
Originally posted by myrottiety:

Basically this. I think I pay $250 on my tag renewal here in GA. It's because I don't pay tax on gas but use roads. Same thing here. This is nothing new & has been around for years.


Same deal in MO. We pay an annual fee instead of a gas tax. I did the math based on our usage and it was fair.