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Originally posted by MikeinNC:

Turkey shot or BB??

As cool as it sounds , shooting down a drone is illegal .

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Originally posted by RichardC:

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Originally posted by tatortodd:
I'm not a criminal so not worried about it.

Ummmmmm ...

Never mind.

Just say it.

It's a poorly written article trying to get people outraged, and I'm all out of outrage today.

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It's a poorly written article trying to get people outraged, and I'm all out of outrage today.

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Stuff slowly creeps up on you and there goes your freedom. I remember as kids laughing about the USSR and the secret police listening to your conversation and putting bugs in your home. It was funny because that did not happen in America. Now we have social media and monitoring by Amazon. I am not paranoid just sick of the snooping. No outrage just concern.

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Originally posted by arabiancowboy:

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Originally posted by 1s1k:
A drone is just not practical or efficient to be used for spying on people. Sure if there is already a suspect for something then it might work for checking out a rural property or something. To get people all worked up about drones hovering around everyone’s neighborhood is just nonsensical.

Wow. If you don't think drones are effective at spying, you must not know about the tens of thousands of enemies killed by drones (either shooter or hunter) during the last 2 decades of GWOT. The scale of violence we visited on our adversaries is hard to overstate.

First, don't assume these are merely outfitted with electro-optical cameras. There are all types of strap-on collection methods available. Do you think a warrant is required to soak up text messages? Secondly, imagine all data collected goes into a massive super computer the size of COSTCO and kept forever. Do you think that data can be manipulated or hacked? No, surely it's secure. Third, ask yourself what type of federal/local partnerships might exist to offset the cost of outfitting localities with drone technology.

Anyone remotely ok with this development has no idea what the technology actually is.

Considering I have owned at least 12 different drones over the last five years I’m well aware of the technology. I never once said they aren’t capable of surveillance and many other things. What I said is it’s ridiculous if you think drones spying in neighborhoods is anything other her than a laughable waste of time. People think they are so important that it’s ridiculous. The shear waste of time and resources to go through neighborhoods spying on people just looking for trouble is just nonsensical.

Keep in mind I said IF there was a tip or reason to be checking out an area that’s completely different but to set up and fly a drone over neighborhoods for 30 minutes at a time just spying on people for no reason is a massive waste of time that no precinct I’ve ever heard of has to spare.

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We have one big bastard. The operator had to take the FAA course and tests to be licensed. We have used it for searching for bad people that have ran and hid in fields and looking for lost kids or lost elderly people. About 90% it is used for fatality and really bad accidents. It works great for that w/ some of the measurement programs and stuff.

Where I am at. At will surveillance w/ a drone over residential areas would be a no-go. Not only from the public but, from some of the brass and a majority of officers.

IIRC drones used for surveillance would fall into the big scare a couple of years ago of cops randomly using thermal imaging looking everywhere? A no… go get a warrant.

I’m too stupid for this. When people first started talking about drones I looked at them like a toy and failed to grasp their full potential.

Now…after seeing what I’ve seen…I absolutely guarantee they end up doing routine patrol in some areas, just like CCTV. With facial recognition and Thermal cameras.

Maybe not during my career, but it’s coming to a Mateo area near you.

Of all the things to be fearful of, police drones are way down on my list. Drones are doing the same things that police helicopters have for years.

I am way more concerned about the media and their constant fear porn campaign.

BS on peeping drones not being an issue.

The damned perverts bring them to the beach and fly them up ocean front condos and hotel rooms for a reason.

(And over teenage girl pool parties)

Professionally, not much reason to care, but lots of bureaucrats and other perverts do like to watch people/take away privacy whenever possible.

Do you carry a cell phone? If so, that thing is collecting way more data about you and your movements and communications than a drone ever will. And right now to get that data, all they need is a warrant.

We already live in a surveillance state. There are cameras everywhere, both private and government owned. Many of those cameras are tied to backend databases that can parse data like license plates, credit card information (at cash registers), and even facial recognition. And that's not even taking into account the information that the majority of the public voluntarily provides by carrying a cell phone, putting Alexa or Google Home devices in our houses, and constantly posting to social media. Drones compose only a fraction of the total monitoring that we are surrounded by in our daily lives.

We've reached the point where our privacy is almost completely at the mercy of the court system. What the judges will allow is what is admissable...at least in regard to the situations that involve the courts and what they'll allow the government to use against you. Private-party surveillance and data-collection is less limited, and has less oversight. Drones are just a tiny piece of the much larger picture.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

I learned something new today.

Sheriffs are nearly all elected (with a few exceptions like Rhode Island and Hawaii), but I've only ever been aware of police chiefs being appointed by the elected mayor/council/governor/etc., which is how just about everyone does that nationwide.

But apparently electing local police chiefs is a thing in Louisiana (only?), though even there it's not universal.

When I got started in law enforcement in Missouri, there were six city marshals state wide.

The marshal does the job of police chief, but is elected by the voters of that city. The various city councils don't like the marshal, as he doesn't answer to them, but to the citizens. The seat of my own county has had several votes on moving to a police chief, but it's always been voted down.

In my county, the cities of Pineville and Nöel both have a Marshal's office.

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Originally posted by Aglifter:
BS on peeping drones not being an issue.

The damned perverts bring them to the beach and fly them up ocean front condos and hotel rooms for a reason.

(And over teenage girl pool parties)

Professionally, not much reason to care, but lots of bureaucrats and other perverts do like to watch people/take away privacy whenever possible.

Is it just teenage girl pool parties or do they check out 20 year olds pool parties as well.

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Originally posted by selogic:
As cool as it sounds , shooting down a drone is illegal .

Aircraft regulated by the FAA, a federal offense if they really wanted to stick it to you.

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...Could Turn America Into a Surveillance State

That was the funniest part.

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Originally posted by 1s1k:
Is it just teenage girl pool parties or do they check out 20 year olds pool parties as well.

Don’t know any fathers of 20 year olds who mentioned having their children harassed by perverts with drones.

And here I thought those Amazon drones were just going to be delivering packages for free.

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Originally posted by 357fuzz:
We have one big bastard. The operator had to take the FAA course and tests to be licensed. We have used it for searching for bad people that have ran and hid in fields and looking for lost kids or lost elderly people. About 90% it is used for fatality and really bad accidents. It works great for that w/ some of the measurement programs and stuff....... .

357fuzz.... what type of measurement software are y'all using? I use a drone in my work and am looking for a way to do precise measurements of items on roofs.

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Originally posted by selogic:
As cool as it sounds , shooting down a drone is illegal .

Several factors determine if it is against the law or not.

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Originally posted by 1s1k:
Is it just teenage girl pool parties or do they check out 20 year olds pool parties as well.

Olivia Dunne is 20 so I understand.

https://swimsuit.si.com/swimsu...3-si-swimsuit-photos

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Originally posted by selogic:
As cool as it sounds , shooting down a drone is illegal .

#1, who cares? Each passing day, my give-a-damn meter sinks lower and lower. The more foolish and unenforceable the laws, the less I care.

#2, who’s going to find out? The same experts looking for coke in the whitehouse? You’re going to tell me the SS and the FBI have no suspects in the most surveilled building in the nation, but LE is going to pinpoint which redneck clapped their toy helicopter from the tree line?

Color me skeptical.

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Originally posted by 1s1k:

Considering I have owned at least 12 different drones over the last five years I’m well aware of the technology. I never once said they aren’t capable of surveillance and many other things. What I said is it’s ridiculous if you think drones spying in neighborhoods is anything other her than a laughable waste of time. People think they are so important that it’s ridiculous. The shear waste of time and resources to go through neighborhoods spying on people just looking for trouble is just nonsensical.

Keep in mind I said IF there was a tip or reason to be checking out an area that’s completely different but to set up and fly a drone over neighborhoods for 30 minutes at a time just spying on people for no reason is a massive waste of time that no precinct I’ve ever heard of has to spare.

Agreed. The cops don't have enough drones or people to fly them to just cruise around at random. They use drones for targeted surveillance of people they already know they are suspicious of. And even they should be more common, how is that different than a patrolmen walking around or driving through the neighborhood. They can't see through your roof.

If they become able to see through your roof, that will be another story.