This is where the .gov could be of some use to us. There is a requirement to list ingredients on food items, list the countries of origin for such food items. Really would like to see someone introduce legislation that would require retailers of all sorts to list country of origin for all products that they offer. Also need to tighten up what constitutes Made In America/USA. Really believe that 80+% of entire product made/sourced from USA should be the minimum here, right down to the rivets that may hold something together.

I think there's some kind of sequence of numbers as part of the bar code that gives country of origin, but not sure what they are.

ETA

https://www.nationwidebarcode....-products-come-from/

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Originally posted by mutedblade:
This is where the .gov could be of some use to us. There is a requirement to list ingredients on food items, list the countries of origin for such food items. Really would like to see someone introduce legislation that would require retailers of all sorts to list country of origin for all products that they offer. Also need to tighten up what constitutes Made In America/USA. Really believe that 80+% of entire product made/sourced from USA should be the minimum here, right down to the rivets that may hold something together.

We had it for some food products, then some of it lapsed, Country of origin labeling (COOL):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...in_the_United_States

If anyone's interested, there's a Facebook group called "Groceries (Food) Made in the USA". It was created April 17 and has 74,000 members.

I can tell you that if you join you are going to see a lot of posts, mostly of foods NOT made in the USA.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
A couple of years ago I tried to find a US-produced stainless mug for my wife. We're talking about an extruded chunk of metal, that's all, yet I couldn't find a US-produced one. We can't produce extrusions? Sure we can, but it's CHEAPER to let the ChiComs do it. Now, that's just sad. This has to stop. The American people have to wean themselves off of these ultra-cheap goods. We have be willing to- literally- pay the price of having goods produced in America- using American materials- and made by American workers.

Get out the popcorn.

The reason products available to you and me and Para are mostly made in China is the price the American sellers see VS
the price of an American produced product.

You may be willing to pay more for an American made product.

But if a large number of Americans are not so willing then the seller will not sell enough to make a profit.

He is not pro Chinese or anti American.

He just needs to turn a profit.

You are a true Patriot Para, but you are in a very small Minority.

I don't think people willing, no, WANTING to buy American are a "very small minority". Do you have DATA for that statement ? The experience in my neighborhood, filled to the brim with God fearing red blooded American men and women, somewhere between most to all of us prefer American made stuff where practical, and we don't mind paying for superior and patriotic American sourced and manufactured products. I know many people in the company I work for who feel the same way. Very small minority ? Bullshit.

I am afraid that in the realm of our fellow Americans, this is like pissing into a very rapid uphill stream.

I am on board, and can be committed this point forward. It’s just a tiny nugget of us that we can count on for that, and I’m concerned we’re not even going to be noticed.

I’ve taken this approach myself. Unfortunately I know there will be some Americans that won’t follow this logic but every one that does is a step in the right direction. This has meant having to wait for certain products to arrive such as the HK Porter bolt cutters which are proudly made in the USA but aren’t stocked in the store while the cheaper Chinese made garbage is readily available on the shelf at a slightly lower price.

Yes! I’ve been doing this religiously for the past several months. Biggest surprises I’ve had so far is learning Olight is made in China and many, many garden power tools are as well.

I always really do end up with a superior product buying American.

About 10 years ago when I was looking for a reloading press, I called Redding and asked where their 'Big Boss' press was made. They told me it was made in the USA. I next called RCBS to find out about the Rockchucker. The person I spoke to went out of their way to tell me the castings for the press were made in the USA. When I asked where the press itself was made, they very sheepishly admitted it was made in China. I bought the Redding.

Several months ago while safe shopping I contacted Canon Safe Co. and asked where they are made....Mexico. I politely informed them why I would be purchasing a made in the USA, Liberty safe, they did not respond.

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
My Weibang mower purchase will never happen now.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/We...37SCV-3IN1/304644825

800 bucks for a Chinese-made mower? Not in a million years.

I had the same feeling last year also. Hard to find any brand that is not running Chinese motors. I will just keep the one I have running until they start manufacturing somewhere other than China.

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Originally posted by phydough:
Several months ago while safe shopping I contacted Canon Safe Co. and asked where they are made....Mexico. I politely informed them why I would be purchasing a made in the USA, Liberty safe, they did not respond.

Sturdy Safe 100% American.https://www.sturdysafe.com/

Yes, when I was safe shopping a few years ago I got quite an education on origins of materials utilized in many of todays safes. I came away understanding that not all metal is created equal.

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Originally posted by phydough:
Several months ago while safe shopping I contacted Canon Safe Co. and asked where they are made....Mexico. I politely informed them why I would be purchasing a made in the USA, Liberty safe, they did not respond.

Sturdy Safe 100% American.https://www.sturdysafe.com/

Bear Safes, made in Oklahoma City. Bear Safes Oklahoma
.

AMSEC - Many (not all) are made in the USA. https://www.safeandvaultstore....rican-security-safes

LIBERTY - Made in the USA. https://www.libertysafe.com/ou...e-1988-lm-1-p-6.html

FORT KNOX - Made in the USA. https://www.ftknox.com/underst...-made-united-states/

Quick note on safes.

The majority of safe manufacturers source some of their products from overseas, but assume for one second that you're looking at one of the models built here in the US.

Where did the steel come from?
Where did the paint come from?
Where did the interior components come from?
Where did the lock come from?
Where did the exterior hardware come from?

You'll quickly find that there's nothing that's 100% US made. In fact, it's almost impossible to build something as simple as a safe with 100% US sourced parts.

I have often asked some of my customers: If the safe is built in the US using Chinese sourced components and assembled by illegal Mexicans, how "US Made" is it? Buying US products is a bit more complicated than many think as it goes much deeper than the label on the final assembled product.

I swear to God. It's your mission in life to just tear everything down.

Amazon does hawk lots of china shit but I have to think it's a boon to American manufacturers. It's not always possible but I do try to google "American made (whatever)" and then more often than not, I can find that thing on Amazon. Some of the tools and all of my tie-downs I keep in the truck are American made. I paid a lot more to buy a US-made Vornado fan (realistically it likely has china stuff inside but at least a guy or gal from Kansas bolted it together) for my home. Amazon seems like a powerful portal for (especially smaller) American brands to get their products into homes.

But the one I do like engaging people on is vehicles. My truck was built in Ontario but it's an "American" Chevy. The Tundra is made in Texas and last I knew had the highest US/Canadian part content of any pickup. The common response is "but the money goes to Japan!". And sure, some does but what purchase helps more Americans? The truck made here with far more US suppliers or the one made in Canada or Mexico and sent back here on a train full of Mexican sourced parts? I don't care which CEO I'm making rich but it would be interesting for someone who is more well-versed in economics than I am to sort that out.

CHAMPION - American made safes using American made steel.

No, the paint, the whatever yadda yadda. Just give up. Don't even try. American workers getting paid ? Bah, they're all illegal aliens.

Or so I've been told

The response will be "That's not what I said" but in effect, yes, it is.