100x worse than what I had imagined. They are naming names, talking about how Mesa AZ .gov is a criminal enterprise, inc. Mesa police dept. Full on Mexico level corruption.

https://twitter.com/shadygrooo...twcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

You need to follow Kari Lake on twitter. The media isn't reporting on this but the election and follow up has be nothing short of a cluster. This guy does short videos explaining what is goin on https://www.youtube.com/@douginexile/videos

Would you mind posting a summary for those of us who don't have time to sit through a 45 minute committee meeting, or wade through dozens of Youtube videos?

What's the gist of the situation?

Or is there a news article that gives an overview of the allegations?

Not to be a smart ass but I believe it’s just another BOHICA!

WTF is BOHICA?

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WTF is BOHICA?

Bend Over, Here It Comes Again. A term I learned in the Navy about 45 years ago.

Thank you!
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Summary,

1. Cartels have been laundering money through phony house purchases/sales. False prices, phony construction upgrades, everything under the sun. 3.5 billion dollars in about 5 years.
2. They have compromised the .gov accounting system throughout the area by uploading phony documents, and removing real documents, both criminal and civil.
3. Mesa city police dept. is very compromised. They use their powers to do everything from illegal wiretaps to tip off cartels, to going after honest people to silence them.
4. Numerous officials all the way up to the AG are fully compromised, many doing the bidding of the cartels.
5. Cartels start off by paying attorneys when they are younger, and as some of those become judges, they do what the cartels tell them.
6. The election system was totally hacked in the last two election cycles. Numerous back doors into the election computer system.
7. Two individuals, a woman and her daughter, uploaded thousands of phony documents to the state and Maricopa County computers. They would forge signatures, often by tracing over a signature from a .gov stamp.
8. One house was raided and they found 15k phony ballots plus thousands in cash. This location was owned by one of the two women, who decided to become state's witness and asked for witness protection. Soon after she changed her mind, most likely the cartel told her she would not last.

I will go back and watch some of it again, and report with more details. The woman giving the presentation started naming names, and she was told not to. She works for a law firm that was doing the investigation. The owner of the law firm did not appear as there had already been 5 attempts on his life.

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So Arizona has become Mexico now.

The violence and corruption is just sad. Mexico is a beautiful country with so much natural resource and normal citizens that are great people. All being ruined by the cartels. Typical 3rd world, and nothing unique or new.

We've let it into our country and are being transformed into a 3rd world hell hole too.

There’s only one way to deal with the cartels and continuing to train militaries of other nations so they can deal with the cartels isn’t the answer for many reasons.

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3. Mesa city police dept. is fully compromised. They use their powers to do everything from illegal wiretaps to tip off cartels, to going after honest people to silence them.

I only know a couple of Mesa PD employees, but one of them I supervised when he worked with me as a sworn police officer at a CA agency and I know him to be an honest and honorable investigator. With that in mind, I noted that the allegations made by this "witness" lacked any specifics to include date(s), time(s), place(s) and most importantly INDIVIDUALS within Mesa PD that committed any crimes.

A government organization can't sue private individuals for libel and slander. She can make any claim she wants against the police department without worrying about paying out $$$$$ so long as individuals aren't harmed and because of this fact and the fact she isn't willing to put her own ass(ets) on the line to back up her claims on this matter (Mesa PD's being a "criminal organization"), I will not view her other generalized claims as being credible.

BTW: I was and continue to be a supporter of Kari Lake and distrust her elected opponent, that now sits in the governor's office. "...talking about how Mesa AZ.gov is a criminal enterprise", is not "naming names" and she clearly did not name any names (re: Mesa PD) from what I saw on this video. Innuendo and unsupported allegations isn't evidence of anything and only makes it more difficult to elect trustworthy candidates, which I believed Kari Lake to be. This woman? Not so much.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
Would you mind posting a summary for those of us who don't have time to sit through a 45 minute committee meeting, or wade through dozens of Youtube videos?

What's the gist of the situation?

Or is there a news article that gives an overview of the allegations?

I watched it through the witness's claims about Mesa PD and all of it's employees being corrupt. Absolutely zero specifics about WHO allegedly did WHAT, but plenty of generalities. Based upon this, I believe enough of my time was wasted and didn't continue through the rest of the video.

It only takes a moderate amount of employees to make an organization look very corrupt. The allegations are coming from an attorney's office, and attorneys know not to name names without having evidence to back up their assertions.

Much of the presentation centers around false deeds and money laundering. If they have the proof, hopefully the truth will come out and justice will be served. Having Kari Lake's lawsuit thrown out makes me think that there is much truth in the 45 minute presentation.

Bold claims. It appears you'll need to buy their book (out soon!) to see their evidence. Another grab at 15 minutes of fame and a quick buck taking advantage of gullible people. This seems like total clown shoes like most of the AZ "investigations", re:CyberNinjas.

I hope it's not Kraken, version 100.0. Just color me jaded with all these latest "evidence". They have been finding so-called new election fraud evidence in AZ since the Nov 2020 election, with subpoena this and hearing that. What has become of them? Has anyone been prosecuted, convicted and go to prison?

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8. One house was raided and they found 15k phony ballots plus thousands in cash. This location was owned by one of the two women, who decided to become state's witness and asked for witness protection. Soon after she changed her mind, most likely the cartel told her she would not last.

This just made me laugh, because it's ridiculous. You know about the Mexican cartels, right? They don't need to make offers people couldn't refuse. They kill people. That's how they change people's mind. Permanently.

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I hope it's not Kraken, version 100.0. Just color me jaded with all these latest "evidence". They have been finding so-called new evidence in AZ since the Nov 2020 election, with subpoena this and hearing that. What has become of them? Has anyone been prosecuted, convicted and go to prison?

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8. One house was raided and they found 15k phony ballots plus thousands in cash. This location was owned by one of the two women, who decided to become state's witness and asked for witness protection. Soon after she changed her mind, most likely the cartel told her she would not last.

This just made me laugh, because it's ridiculous. You know about the Mexican cartels, right? They don't need to make offers people couldn't refuse. They kill people. That's how they change people's mind. Permanently.

Buy their book when out for BOMBSHELL EVIDENCE!

But yeah, the whole thing sounds pretty ridiculous. Some of the stuff would be easy to prove IF they actually had evidence, the computer system claims for instance. But they're just broad accusations. They really focus on the signatures, but haven't released anything I'm aware of to actually look at. Different looking signatures raises no alarms for me. I've signed lots of different contracts and many of my signatures do not look similar, especially the ones using an app like DocuSign. They need more than "they look different". There are plenty of other claims that seem extremely dubious as well. It just looks like a money and fame grab. The detailed information on the supposed assassination attempt involving a hole in the guys tire is pretty lulz.

The fact anybody gives people like this any attention at all makes me sad.

Just a general observation on human nature. People do tend to believe things that they badly want to be true. Even if it's based on allegations that are not substantiated with pictures, indictments or some real evidence. The allegations that virtually the entire Mesa AZ PD is corrupt only weakened their case as far as I am concerned. This is getting old. Maybe it's time to move on. But that's just me.

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Originally posted by c1steve:
It only takes a moderate amount of employees to make an organization look very corrupt. The allegations are coming from an attorney's office, and attorneys know not to name names without having evidence to back up their assertions.

Much of the presentation centers around false deeds and money laundering. If they have the proof, hopefully the truth will come out and justice will be served. Having Kari Lake's lawsuit thrown out makes me think that there is much truth in the 45 minute presentation.

For over four decades I've been in the business of investigating claims of criminality. Thirty three years of investigating criminal allegations for "The People" and since 2009 investigating claims for those accused of committing crimes (mostly serious felony charges). Credibility is paramount. She didn't say a "moderate" amount of Mesa PD was corrupt, she accused the entire police department while not pointing out a single individual or act of corruption to base her claims on. To me, that speaks volumes about her lack of credibility, and how that stains not only her and her organization, but people like me that have serious doubts about the last Arizona election.

There will always be grifters take advantage of peoples' suspicions for monetary and political gains. Look no further than the guy living in the White House. Our governor and others in AZ positions of power might be crooked, but let's see evidence that backs this up. It's a standard that I lived by and there's no reason these accusers can't do the same.

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The owner of the law firm did not appear as there had already been 5 attempts on his life.

Really! Five attempts. The cartels are really that incompetent? They really should take lessons from Michael Corleone. Lol.