Wow, so much Google Kung Fu! I searched S&G electronic gun safe failure and got 346,000 hits. Do a plain search on "electronic gun safe lock failure" and i don't doubt there will be millions, just like searching GM recalls.

I think this video in more applicable. IIRC the OPs propective safe has a 14 gauge body, same as the one in this video. And bolting down won't stop this.




Link to original video: https://youtu.be/l-9vWa-C44I

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Originally posted by JasonATI:
I've always liked this video. Skip to about 2:30

https://youtu.be/nBhOjWHbD6M

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
I think it is an "Elite" model with electronic lock for $499. 32 gun I believe. 60 min 1200 degree rating. 490lbs.
Could not determine country of origin. One guy thought USA the other said Mexico.

Anyone know.

Good or bad? I want USA made.

Sounds like the one I have. I am satisfied with mine. Big enough and heavy enough to keep some dirt bag from stealing it. Not to mention it is bolted to the concrete floor.

Very good video and info BBMW.

BTW 15 minutes is pretty much what it will take for a trained technician to open a bank's cash vault. Thus the TL-15 rating that is what I see most often. Sure there are TL-30's and in some places an old fashion honest to goodness vault, but multilayered protection is what is most effective. As far as elocks versus mechanical, I have seen both go bad. If you get a mechanical lock and use it daily please get it serviced annually by a safe/vault tech(not just any locksmith but someone who is a member of SAVTA for instance). Treat the lock like the precision instrument it is (do not whip the dial as fast as you can) and you can avoid many issues.

Those safes are not Fort Knox. But they will deter a lot of quickie, in-and-out burglars. Which I think accounts for many burglars.

It isn't like they are nothing.

Most Gun Safes aren't real Safes, they are, categorically, Residential Storage Containers, whose looks are deceivingly similar to a real Safe but they most certainly aren't one.

If a RSC is good enough, cool. If you need a real Safe, look elsewhere.

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Originally posted by bcereuss:

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Originally posted by HRK:

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Originally posted by Yellow Jacket:

Two points:

1. I googled "electronic lock failures on safes."

I got 23,800,00 hits in 0.63 seconds.

Much ado about nothing, eh?

LOL try googling lock failures on safes, I get 83,300.000 responses, so using the failed logic that all responses to a search on google are actually relevant

That would suggest that there are 60 million more problems with non electronic locks, of course subtracting the 23 million responses you listed apply to electronic with your search from the total lock problems of 83 million.

Yet, when I google "Mechanical lock failures on safes -electronic -biometric -battery" I get 2,720,000.

That's a lot less tan 23M or 83M.

FWIW.

Exactly my point lol

Read through the responses and you'll find 90% are not relevant in any Google search

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Originally posted by Fredward:
I replaced it with a dual function lock, electronic and spin dial too. Different combinations. They will work independently.

Who makes dual function locks?

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Originally posted by deepocean:

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Originally posted by Fredward:
I replaced it with a dual function lock, electronic and spin dial too. Different combinations. They will work independently.

Who makes dual function locks?

SecureRam, S&G, Amsec. There are a few others too.

-Don't buy cheap shit.
-Don't keep all your eggs in one basket.

-Do buy what you are most comfortable with. I know I'm too lazy for mechanical locks and so electronic is the best option for me. YMMV.

I had two safe guys(one owns his own company) tell me that if it is a 5' high safe, it is likely from China. They can get X number in the ship as opposed to a 6 ft one.

I have a Smith Security Custom safe and a Liberty Safe. Both made in America, one made in Ohio

Link

Where are Cannon safes made? This is a question if you do care about the place of origin. Unfortunately, the place of production is usually unavailable on either their price tags or the web. If you want to buy the American-produced item only, apparently you have to find another way to get the relevant information. However, it must be admitted that this is difficult job for a lot of people.

Let’s first brush up on something about this brand. As one of trustworthy choices these days in the United States, Cannon has built its fame in this industry as they have a history of more than 40 years. In addition, you can find and buy them easily at their retailers such as Sam’s Club, Costco, and Cabelas. This makes purchase become so convenient and simple.

Whatever the reason, a new gun safe is good for your gun collection. As mentioned at the beginning of this article, Cannon safes are definitely the one that is worthy of your interest, thanks to its cheap price, better warranty, and good online reviews. But many of you may concerns the quality since they are manufactured in at least 3 different areas – America, China, and Mexico. This is because something made in china often means poor quality. In other words, a safe from an American company is more reliable. It is understandable that no one is willing to buy things with the “Made in China” label, especially when it comes to safety issue. So, how to tell them apart?


Here are the tips from the sales department of Cannon Safes. As you may know, currently there are 5 primary gun safe models available – Scout, Patriot, Armory, Cannon, and Commander. Basically, different series are manufactured in different places. And here is an overview about the distribution.

1. The United States. The series safes include Commander, Cannon, Armory, and Scout. A point to note is that Big Box store models of above-mentioned series are made somewhere else;

2. China. The series safes include Home Guard, Jim Shockey, and Patriot;

3. Mexico. All the safes models available from Big Box stores are from Mexico, including Tractor supply, Costso, and the like.

The other thing to note about where are Cannon safes manufactured is that it is not always this way. For example, sometimes you can find the Made in America armory series sold at Costco. However, it makes sense in most cases.

As you can see it now, you can figure out this question according to the gun safe models of Cannon safes. And this rule is straight from the horse’s mouth instead of online rumors. So, this method is with high reliability. Besides, do contact the salesman and make sure it before the purchase if you are so concerned about the place of origin.

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Originally posted by HRK:

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Originally posted by bcereuss:

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Originally posted by HRK:

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Originally posted by Yellow Jacket:

Two points:

1. I googled "electronic lock failures on safes."

I got 23,800,00 hits in 0.63 seconds.

Much ado about nothing, eh?

LOL try googling lock failures on safes, I get 83,300.000 responses, so using the failed logic that all responses to a search on google are actually relevant

That would suggest that there are 60 million more problems with non electronic locks, of course subtracting the 23 million responses you listed apply to electronic with your search from the total lock problems of 83 million.

Yet, when I google "Mechanical lock failures on safes -electronic -biometric -battery" I get 2,720,000.

That's a lot less tan 23M or 83M.

FWIW.

Exactly my point lol

Read through the responses and you'll find 90% are not relevant in any Google search

But when I search "Locking Midget Porn Stars in a Safe", my results are more interesting than any of yours!

We've got safe people on here. And we've got people that know everything about safes. I'd wait on one of them to pop in.

I think one thing we agree upon is that pretty much any gun safe is going to stymie a garden variety smash and grab crackhead burglar. In my mind, the question is how expensive (translating to thicker steel and better construction) do you have to go to stymie someone who has at least some skill and tools to break into safes. I'm thinking pretty high up the scale.

Referencing the video I posted above, I think any safe with a sheet steel body is going to be vulnerable to that kind of attack. This safe in that video had a 14 gauge body, which is pretty common for a cheap imported safe sold at big boxes. The higher (but not highest) line safes I've seen have a 10 gauge body. This is better, but I doubt it would slow that kind of attach down too much. You'd really need to go with a plate body to do that. There you're likely getting into really big bucks.

Thank you Navyshooter. I am not 100% but am pretty sure it is a made in Mexico safe.

I know these threads get started a lot and generate some indigestion so for that, I am sorry. Thanks guys.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, let me recommend Sturdy Gun Safe.

Made in America, no middle-man markup and a great company to deal with. They actually answer the phone and are pleasant, patient and know what they're talking about.

I took a chance and bought one about a year ago.
Mechanical dial and upgraded steel package.

It is an awesome safe. In fact, I'm thinking about buying another one.

Check them out:
https://www.sturdysafe.com/

They'll give a better price-quote over the phone than what you'll see on their web site...FYI

Concerning the electronic locks; When I had my first safe made, at Smith Security Safes, Mr. Smith told me that he has more of the dial locks fail than the electronic locks. I told him that I have seen safes that were over 100 years old and the old mechanical locks still worked great. He said yes, that is when those locks were made of metal inside and not plastic....he said, all I do is manufacture and sell safes and vault doors, LG electronic locks are number one for reliability right now on my list. So, both my safes have LG locks.
It is my understanding that not all Liberty Safes are made in America either.

I'm thinking about buying an old coke machine. They're a bitch to break into.

Gut it, customize the interior, it already has a power cord for dehumidifier, should be just as fine or better than anything else.

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Originally posted by OKCGene:
I'm thinking about buying an old coke machine. They're a bitch to break into.

Gut it, customize the interior, it already has a power cord for dehumidifier, should be just as fine or better than anything else.

That's an awesome idea! Someone would never even think to try and open if. I want this!