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Excellent take on the Der Spiegel reporter and his ilk:

"Whatever one wants to say for the old model of the journalism career, there was a winnowing process to filter out the extremely stupid and dishonest. The Der Spiegel scandal is mostly due to hiring a charismatic greenhorn into a prominent position, without having put him through an apprenticeship. Odds are, the people who hired him had never been local reporters or had to edit copy for a small publication. Like Claas Relotius, they popped out of good schools and the right families into elite media."

More about his ilk in :"Industrial Rumpswabbery" at the Zman here


I don't think family or school background played a role here. Relotius studied political and cultural sciences in Bremen and Valencia, interned for a month with the Berlin-based daily "tageszeitung" (politically affiliated with the Greens) in 2008, got an MA from the Hamburg Media School in 2011 and started writing as a freelancer for various German and Swiss print media across the political board. Nothing prior to him being hired by "Spiegel" in 2017 as a regular editor really says "elite", like if he had gone to the Henri Nannen School, also in Hamburg, which is run by two of Germany's top publishers and sponsored by the "Spiegel" itself, having produced many high-profile journalists and editors-in-chief.

I think there are two larger underlying problems shown by the case. One is editors believing in narratives conforming to their personal bias; which is true for any political camp, actually. The other being the trend towards "storytelling" in journalism. The latter is currently being discussed more than the former in German journalistic circles, including "Spiegel" itself (their initial report on the affair has been criticized as falling into the same trap, being a quasi-literary treatment more at the expense of the individual culprit than the magazine). This guy was heaped with praise (and prizes) for his eloquent style, which seems to have impressed people so much they didn't bother so much with the facts - of course also because those tended to satisfy their bias. But then it's easier to debate the former than the latter.

Of course now people show up who claim they always thought his stories were just too perfect, too smooth, too detailed. The only one who can command real credibility about this though is Juan Moreno, the colleague who exposed him. In his personal depiction, he said he once read a Relotius article years ago before either of them worked for "Spiegel", which portrayed the supposedly first professional tax consultant on Cuba; allegedly shoeshiners were lining up for advice from him. Per Moreno, he thought "so Cuban shoeshiners make enough money to have questions about their tax performance. Right." But of course he couldn't be sure that never happens either, so rather than accusing an acclaimed colleague on a shaky basis, he kept his mouth shut when they later worked for "Spiegel".

Moreno allows that he probably only kept his reserve because he never actually met Relotius, who was employed as a regular editor at the "Spiegel" headquarters in Hamburg while he was working as a stringer in Berlin; they talked once on the phone over a contribution by Moreno, and were in the same room at Christmas parties, but didn't get personally acquainted. By all accounts, like all the most successful imposters, Relotius seems to be a guy who is great at making any people he meets like him, even in the shark bassin that is top-level journalism. Colleagues subsequently told Moreno he was the only one they didn't begrudge his awards, that they'd rather believed their own mother was faking reports than him, that he was always the most critical about his own work, etc.

In the end, everybody likes to read a good story for the sake of itself; Relotius' portrayal of the US border vigilante group that Moreno got suspicious over included nice human touches like that one member had had his daughter hooked upon drugs by South American immigrants. With his imagination, attention to detail and writing skills, he would probably make a good and successful novelist - but entertainment should not be a journalist's job, and it is being pointed out now (again) that the lines have become dangerously blurred.


Thank you, BansheeOne, for this and also your response to the thread about Frau Merkel-I stand corrected.

I was in Berlin this last fall-my second trip, my first was sometime around 1960-61
before the wall went up(at the time we were living in Mainz where
my dad was a student at Gutenberg University-JGU and where the 504th and 505th PIRs were stationed outside of town at Lee Barracks). Because of some family history, am fascinated with the occupation of Germany and the Cold War- which you mention in your post discussing Merkel’s speech.

Don’t know if you are particularly interested in these subjects but I’m very much so, especially with the Occupation, as my family was so intertwined with it. If you are also fascinated with this, you may find the minutiae below interesting, as some of it pertains to Berlin during the Cold War-and also occupied Germany.

(I don’t know why there isn’t a good popular history book about the occupation written by an excellent historian like Rick Atkinson(who was born in Munich at the tail end of the Occupation where his dad was stationed). The most recent English language book about it, written by Susan Carruthers, also addresses the occupation of Japan, about which there’s already some pretty good books(in her defense, she cites my article about the theft of the Hesse Crown Jewels-which happened in the early years of the Occupation- in her bibliography. The article can be found here

Anyway, after visiting(again)the usual tourist sights in Berlin, I spent a day tracking down these Cold War sights:

This house, off ClayAllee, was originally owned by Hitler’s Keitel, who had some underground rooms(bomb shelters?)and passageways built into it-which made it the perfect place for the
operations headquarters of the U.S. Military Liaison Mission(USMLM), which it shared at various times with the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency(now it houses a chiropractor’s office:

Then:



Now:



The street where the USMLM house was located in Potsdam, then in East Germany. A beautiful area, bordering the Lehnitzsee lake:



The actual USMLM house(on the right)-the former residence of Prince Sigismund(Hohenzollern)of Prussia:



(USMLM website: https://usmlm.us )

Some cold war/ occupation minutiae:

After being arrested by the Soviets for snooping around a Soviet air base in August 1952, my dad was expelled from East Germany and his job as Deputy CO, USMLM. His next job was
at the former SS compound at Pullach, outside Munich, where he was one of the liaison officers
assigned to the Gehlen Org.-Germany’s future intell. service- which at the time was run by the CIA, headed by the late Jim Critchfield(unfortunately for the Gehlen Org, it was heavily penetrated by East Germany-Gehlen’s deputy turned out to be a mole!).

Here’s a declassified CIA history of its early involvement with the Gehlen Org(on page xxxvi of this document, there’s a short bio of my father) : Link

And here’s my article about the U.S. Army’s involvement with Gehlen before the CIA took over during the very early days of the Cold War-and a little bit of what it was like during those halcyon days(for us): Link

BTW-in the article above, Capt. Boker came from the American side of the Boker knife family.

And finally, here's my passport photo, circa 1948, when I was on my way to occupied Germany(I'm on the left-haven't got a clue who the others in the photo are) :

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Don’t know if you are particularly interested in these subjects but I’m very much so, especially with the Occupation, as my family was so intertwined with it. If you are also fascinated with this, you may find the minutiae below interesting, as some of it pertains to Berlin during the Cold War-and also occupied Germany.

(I don’t know why there isn’t a good popular history book about the occupation written by an excellent historian like Rick Atkinson(who was born in Munich at the tail end of the Occupation where his dad was stationed). The most recent English language book about it, written by Susan Carruthers, also addresses the occupation of Japan, about which there’s already some pretty good books(in her defense, she cites my article about the theft of the Hesse Crown Jewels-which happened in the early years of the Occupation- in her bibliography. The article can be found here

Anyway, after visiting(again)the usual tourist sights in Berlin, I spent a day tracking down these Cold War sights:

This house, off ClayAllee, was originally owned by Hitler’s Keitel, who had some underground rooms(bomb shelters?)and passageways built into it-which made it the perfect place for the
operations headquarters of the U.S. Military Liaison Mission(USMLM), which it shared at various times with the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency(now it houses a chiropractor’s office:


I am particularly interested in the Cold War history of Germany. Been around the USLM HQ in Berlin proper, near the former US general headquarters on Clayallee (today an annex to the US Embassy, among other things housing CIA Berlin Station, no matter what "Homeland" may show you) with a British friend who has a special faible for the allied liaison missions; I basically wrote the German Wikipedia article on the subject based upon books he bombed me with. Most of those are British; here's a short list:

- Tony Geraghty: BRIXMIS. The untold exploits of Britain’s most daring Cold War spy mission, London 1996

- Steve Gibson: The Last Mission. Behind the Iron Curtain, Phoenix Mill 1997

- James M. Warford: The U.S. Military Liaison Mission, Its Tri-Mission-Partners and the Quest for the ‘Holy Grail’, in: Armor Magazine, November–Dezember 2011 (extended version available online)

- Kevin Wright, Peter Jefferies: Looking Down the Corridors. Allied aerial espionage over East Germany and Berlin 1945–1990, Stroud 2015

There are some German sources of course, including from the Berlin Allied Museum on Clayallee, opposite the former US HQ; you might have been there.

Maybe open a dedicated thread on the topic so we don't pollute the debates about the aberrations of contemporary German journalism and politics respectively? I know of at least one other member here who could contribute substantially.
 
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