I wouldn't worry about training government translators for so much as a second. Back when I was young and foolish and actually thought I'd like to work in government, this is one place I really wanted to pass through at some point (and yes, they do admit nonmilitary .gov types) -

http://www.dliflc.edu

I worked for a time instructing foreign airline pilots, or trainees sent by foreign airlines. The vast majority were Chinese. The Chinese send a very large number of flight students to the US, many of whom are required to sign 99-year contracts to the airline, after accepting the training. Pass or fail, they owe the airline 99 years of their life.

Formerly, many students were fairly poor, but gradually students became more wealthy. A tenet at the training was no speaking Chinese allowed. There was a fine if students were caught speaking anything other than English (English is the internatinoal aviation language). Students would approach the office, drop several thousand dollars on the desk, and smirk. They were announcing that they didnt give a shit about the policies, and intended to break them. They were paying in advance.

I taught in a program after students had finished all their flight training. One of the classes was a cockpit procedures course, prior to them starting in a full-motion simulator. It required a lot of memorization, something they excelled at. Each. morning I'd give a written test of the previous day's material, and as I walked around the room one morning, I noticed an ipad sticking out from a bag. I withdrew it, and there was the test, with all the answers written in red. I found another student with the same thing on a phone.

When this was brought to the attention of the chief pilot of the Chinese airline, he praised the sudents for their initiative, and criticized the instructor (me) for catching them. I was blocking their path to success.

The stereotype of sharp asian pilots who do nothing but study and learn is bogus. Standard procedure was to learn nothing, memorize the basics, and pass by rote learning.

When I got students in the simulator, it was common for them to lose control on takeoff, claiming "engine failure." I didn't fail anything: they just couldn't maintain control of the airplane during a normal takeoff. Loss of control was frequent. One student cried at the end of a week of training, and begged to be allowed one landing. He still couldn't land the airplane in visual conditions with everything operating normally. Crashed every time.

I've no doubt that most of them eventually wound up as baggage handlers, gate service agents, or something else, though some may have made it as pilots. You couldn't pay me enough to ride on a Chinese airline. Their air traffic control is just as bad, though it's improved somewhat since there's less military involvement. It's good in places like Hong Kong, where British or Aussie controllers usually work.

China is an amazing place, with a great deal to offer. Hong Kong is one of my favorite places in the world to go. China has some serious roadblocks in its future, and is a strange dichotomy of extreme povery, repression, technology, and wealth. It had been hoped that Hong Kong represented the model that would define the future of China: for the time being that appears largely fucked. This is unfortunate for us all, as it represents the best possible integration with the world that we can hope for, from them.

In the meantime, expect "Made in China" to appear on a great deal of what's sold in this country, from microchips in cruise missiles to cookware to surgical implements. So long as the consumer favors chinese prices, they'll get chinese goods.

Spying, copying, reverse engineering...for all the vast resources, human and otherwise, china will keep doing that so long as they have breath. Cheating is their key to success.

^^^^^^^^^^

Are we training their future Air Force's new pilots for their new massive air force. ??

Call me a racist, I am trying my best to not buy anything from them.

I think that anything we do to punish them, will result in some level of military hostilities. My best shot is to call it the first shot in a possibly long struggle.

This country, the USA, has a great president at this time. He is certainly nobody's fool. I hope that I am right in believing that he will always put America first. He is a badass but knows, I think when to do what in this kind of war.

Be patient. Know that they are not our friends but we need to deal economically with them, for now.

Sorry for the pontifications. Just that many of us have seen this before. Only this time, more of Liberty's enemies are inside our borders than without. But, this I know, the good people of this country, those that will fight to keep the Constitution and, especially, its Bill Of Rights intact to pass down to our future families, will not go gently....

be well and be safe.

Almost everything manufactured has some part made in China somehow.

From fasteners to the chemicals made for protective coatings.

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Almost everything manufactured has some part made in China somehow.
From fasteners to the chemicals made for protective coatings.

No shit. But there are a lot of products that can be avoided if people would be willing to pay more. All the stuff China Freight sells is a good example.

Our number one problem with China is far more complicated than these arguments allow. Where American politicians think in terms of news cycles and election cycles, China's leaders have always thought in terms of decades and centuries.

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Our number one problem with China is far more complicated than these arguments allow. Where American politicians think in terms of news cycles and election cycles, China's leaders have always thought in terms of decades and centuries.

That’s not even the problem. We’ve had people in our own govt for decades that are Communist/socialist. They could not care less about America, many of them have a hatred of this country that they would never admit publicly.

“Free trade” pacts? Come on. It doesn’t take a genius to see who those benefit. We have traitors in DC and have for years and years.

At the end of the day people vote with their pocket books. In other threads seeing the continuing Love for Amazon and the cheap chinese crap they sell shows it's all lip service and nothing will change.

Remember in the 1990's when the clinton administration helped china with the technologies to properly deploy satellites? The same technologies needed to deliver nuclear warheads.

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At the end of the day people vote with their pocket books. In other threads seeing the continuing Love for Amazon and the cheap chinese crap they sell shows it's all lip service and nothing will change.

Yes, just empty words from empty skulls.

Wuhanmart needs to be boycotted until they start bringing in less Chinese shit.

Apparently the Africans are pissed Link
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Apparently the Africans are pissed Link
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Yup, commies are always such fans of diversity.

Well, this thread is about what we can do - surely turnabout is fair play?

Eliminate at least 80% of our debt to them for starters. Any more buffoonery on restricting/delaying medical supplies we have on order, we eliminate an additional 1% per day until the orders are fulfilled.

Then we figure out how to regain our ability to domestically produce our medical PPE and other equipment.

They are essentially responsible for the modern plague and could have stopped it, but due to their nationalism and "face saving" bullshit, millions of people worldwide are affected.

Fuck them and their criminal behavior.

I sometimes wonder who is the larger threat (other than the Democratic party); China or India?

China certainly has wiped out a lot of 50K to 100K a year mfg jobs, but India is wiping out the 100K + a year white collar jobs; and not just in IT (which is the majority right now); but making serious inroads to engineering jobs and medical jobs.

India started doing a lot of damage to the US Pharmaceutical industry with generic drugs starting back in the 80's.

I believe there are as many Indian students at US universities as there are Chinese students.

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I sometimes wonder who is the larger threat (other than the Democratic party); China or India?

Seriously?...one is a democracy whereas the other is an authoritarian criminal syndicate.

The Indians at least we can work with, while they've sucked up a lot of jobs in the tech sector, again, we have to look at those American companies who choose to off-shore those jobs.

If you're an American company that deals in an identified strategic industry, then there should be a law limiting how much of the work can off-shored. Be it manufacturing, resource management, administrative or, technology.

Twitter is banned in China but they have their propagandists working full time. This is a promoted tweet. https://twitter.com/thepointwi...910435784105984?s=09

What all do you guys buy from Wal-Mart that's made in China? I really can't think of anything I buy there made in China. I go there for 5 qt. jugs of Mobil 1, sometimes pool chemicals. And the groceries I get there are the very same ones I buy at Fry's or Safeway on other trips. I suppose I've bought some office supplies there that were made in China, but it was stuff I had to have for work. And I would have bought the same stuff on Amazon, if I could have waited for shipping. I just don't get all the Wal-Mart hate. The vast majority of whatever I buy there is not made in China. If you think a boycott of Chinese goods will change their government's policy, try boycotting Harbor Freight and paying 5x the price at Snap-On. Let me know how that works out.

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What all do you guys buy from Wal-Mart that's made in China? I really can't think of anything I buy there made in China. I go there for 5 qt. jugs of Mobil 1, sometimes pool chemicals. And the groceries I get there are the very same ones I buy at Fry's or Safeway on other trips. I suppose I've bought some office supplies there that were made in China, but it was stuff I had to have for work. And I would have bought the same stuff on Amazon, if I could have waited for shipping. I just don't get all the Wal-Mart hate. The vast majority of whatever I buy there is not made in China. If you think a boycott of Chinese goods will change their government's policy, try boycotting Harbor Freight and paying 5x the price at Snap-On. Let me know how that works out.

There are other US made tools besides Snap-On. I have a whole garage full and none of them are Snap-On brand. S&K, Klein, Channellock, Proto, I could go on and on. And they rarely if ever break. When I have broken them, it’s been from abuse.

But feel free to keep buying your China freight stuff.

Most of my tools are Craftsman, but I don't know when they started making their stuff in China. Some of the stuff I've had for decades. For stuff I use one time or less per year, I'm going cheap. For lifetime keeper stuff, I'll get something better. And I'm starting to think Snap-On and some other premium US brands do get stuff made in China because Harbor Freight sells the identical stuff relabeled for a fraction of the price. Maybe it's all knock-offs, but the reviews suggest equal quality.