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Or the jobs would be moved to where the cheap workers are (see "manufacturing".)

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1/2 the people I work with are ethnic chinese \ h1b visa holders. If we didn't bring them in on the cheap we'd be hiring Americans for the jobs.
 
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Or automate everything.

I'm saying this sarcastically, but it may be a better option than leaving the manufacturing in China

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Also I think there should be incentives to return manufacturing back to the US.


No problem. Just start paying US workers three dollars an hour for labor, and the move is as good as done. Eliminate the labor laws, too, enabling employees to work 80 hour weeks with no overtime or protections.

People want their cheap chinese crap en masse in the US, and don't really care how it got there.

If the raw labor costs triple of quadruple, it won't be cheap anymore.

Of course, we'd need to get a steel industry back again, and much of what we used to have, in order to keep up. That's as likely as a return to coal...
 
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As for medicines, many countries can produce it. For example, India has been producing many generics and they are far friendlier to us than Communist China.
I'm with you on the rest, but not this. The US should not move its dependency for medical products and drugs from one foreign country to another. That manufacturing needs to be brought back into this country by whatever means necessary.


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Immediately close all the “Confucius Institutes” scattered across North America.

Immediately ban all “Mandarin (and Cantonese) bilingual programs” in public schools. If the chicoms want to educate their offspring in their languages, let this be done with THEIR money, in private schools.

Unleash the CIA, the NSA, CSIS and CSEC to expose anyone receiving money from or abetting the enemy. Make Sen. McCarthy look like a schoolgirl in that task.

Etc etc etc
 
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The Confucius institutes are no different than the various recruiting stations for the NAZIs and Soviets.

I get despising those - and I think no foreign nation should be permitted to fund think tanks, or universities or university chairs...

But outlawing the teaching of a language, especially Cantonese (definitely not the same folks as the Han), seems a bit illogical.
 
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Corsair, I will say there is a flip side to getting “some” of the immigrants to attend school here - aside from that they are paying their way - at schools with strong cultures - Texas A&M, Alabama, probably USC, Penn and Ohio State - we could be very corrupting*.

They should not be let into any sensitive grad programs, nor majors.

*For the corruption to work, students should be vetted for susceptibility - are they actually comfortable with English, rather than able to puzzle out a text book, can they socially interact, etc
 
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The Gordon Chang article is on Breitbart now- Seize China's U.S. Treasury Holdings

If it is coordinated, it will not destroy confidence in the dollar. It would be stupid for us to do it unilaterally.


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The Gordon Chang article is on Breitbart now- Seize China's U.S. Treasury Holdings

If it is coordinated, it will not destroy confidence in the dollar. It would be stupid for us to do it unilaterally.


I don’t see any discussion in the above article about unintended consequences. Might want to consider at what point China may start a hot war in an attempt to save face. What would the world do if, for example, one week after the Treasury holdings were seized, Chinese troops blockaded and invaded Taiwan? You’d have to either let them have it or start shooting. Neither choice is a good one. Blockading Japan’s access to oil triggered their initial attacks on the West which ratcheted WW2 up a notch. Another big conflict now is likely to involve radioactive clouds which don’t respect national borders any more than the virus does.

Be very careful in how you make them “pay” so the virus’ death toll doesn’t end up being inconsequential by comparison!
 
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There's a quote by a Chinese General from the 1990's (?) where he said the USA pushed china around in the 1950's because they couldn't defend themselves. Now they have nuclear weapons and America won't be able to do that again.


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There's a quote by a Chinese General from the 1990's (?) where he said the USA pushed china around in the 1950's because they couldn't defend themselves. Now they have nuclear weapons and America won't be able to do that again.


Yep. After 7 decades you begin to realize that real life isn't as ordered and predictable as those video games you spent time playing in your mother's basement! And before you head off on a course of action that can't be undone, you'd better analyze all the possible outcomes and permutations to the maximum extent possible if you want to minimize the probability of an unfavorable result (and even then, you're likely to have missed something).
 
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I was picking up some groceries in a local Publix this morning and there was a really funny scene.

In order to facilitate social distancing, aka "stay the fuck away from me," the aisles have six foot markers (that's almost a fathom!) and the aisles are now marked for one-way traffic, with arrows on the floor, and big X markers at the no-entry end of the aisle. Essentially, you go one way in an aisle, and the opposite direction in the next aisle. Even numbered aisles are eastbound and odd numbered aisles are westbound.

That helps to keep people separated, except for brain damaged or entitled people, like the millennial female who was going the wrong way in an aisle this morning. I was going the correct way, and was following (with appropriate separation) another dude. As said dude approached the wrong-way female, she started shouting at him, "Six feet! Six feet!"

He responded, loud and clear, "If you paid attention to the direction of traffic there would be no problem with six feet."

Millennial female just kept shouting, "Six feet! Six feet!"

Dude grabbed his crotch and said to her, "I got your six feet, right here," as he passed her with maybe two feet between them.

I cracked up, funniest exchange I have seen this week.

She glared at me, I said "He's right, you know," as I pointed at the directional arrows on the floor.

Now it was my turn to be the Bad Guy, as she started shouting at me, "Six feet!"

I had no more words for her, just kept laughing, which made her more angry and frustrated. Simple pleasures in hard times, that was the most fun I have had in quite a while.


It might be very difficult if V-Tail's "millennial female" is representative of our population. Mad
 
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Really good ideas here. I’m concerned by both China & Russia’s observations of the U.S.response to this pandemic. They were provided a real good look into our systematic weaknesses in all avenues of response. Biological warefare just got a lot easier..
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Been giving this a lot of thought. Individually we can do very little. The federal government is the best tool to extract an outcome. Here's a start...

1) Congressional Bill # 1 - Here's a list of medications, PPE, and other medical equipment that a/o a date certain can no longer be built anywhere except in the continental US. No importation of these items will be allowed after the established date. A tax package will be designed to facilitate this change.

2) Congressional Bill # 2 - All goods (hey Tim Cook) built in China and imported into this country will have a tariff of 75% applied. To aide these companies in bringing home these businesses, a tax incentive plan will be developed and offered. Let's see how long the laws of simple economics take in moving a whole bunch of high dollar business back to the US.

3 ) International Agreement - Work with all first tier countries to build an international group tasked with establishing the damage done to each country by the Chinese virus, and then to take ownership of Chinese assets around the world to compensate for those damages. Reports I've seen note the total at somewhere near two trillion dollars. An international group would legitimize this effort far more than the US attempting it alone.

From a lot of what I've read, the Chinese economy is a house of cards and would not take too much effort for a sustained period by the world community to force an internal collapse. Implement just the three things I've noted above and watch the Chinese economy go bye bye and ours expand exponentially.


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Cancel out the Trade deficit, Ban any American Company that makes their product in China, not just tariffs, complete ban of their product "Made in China".


I am glad that we are friends. We are still friends, right?
 
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Cancel out the Trade deficit, Ban any American Company that makes their product in China, not just tariffs, complete ban of their product "Made in China".


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Unleash the CIA, the NSA, CSIS and CSEC to expose anyone receiving money from or abetting the enemy. Make Sen. McCarthy look like a schoolgirl in that task.

Etc etc etc


Best start with Congress ...
 
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I have never been one to play video games, and I am not expecting anything we do to not have consequences. Ideally, I'd like to see the Chinese people throw the CCP out of power peacefully.

I actually like aspects of China, studied the language in university, but stopped in 1989.

I think they are at war with us already. Are we able to sail the Taiwan Straight without confrontation?

Things have to change one way or another.

The US needs to become a producer, not just a mix of agriculture and services. We need self sufficiency as a matter of security.

There is the Great Firewall of China- maybe we need to find a way to block them from us. We are too open to them stealing our intellectual property. I know there are ways around anything and everything, but why make it easy?


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But outlawing the teaching of a language, especially Cantonese (definitely not the same folks as the Han), seems a bit illogical.


I never defended outlawing the teaching of the languages, just the *public funding* thereof.
 
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Corsair, I will say there is a flip side to getting “some” of the immigrants to attend school here - aside from that they are paying their way - at schools with strong cultures - Texas A&M, Alabama, probably USC, Penn and Ohio State - we could be very corrupting*.

They should not be let into any sensitive grad programs, nor majors.

*For the corruption to work, students should be vetted for susceptibility - are they actually comfortable with English, rather than able to puzzle out a text book, can they socially interact, etc

Every major state and private university has courted and has a sizable number Chinese foreign students. Their willingness to pay full-ride tuition is much too tempting for admissions. Our culture can be very corrupting, as kids returning are often accused of 'becoming too American', where I'm getting at is that pipeline needs to be shrunk. If anything, reduce the China student pipeline and increase the Latin America & SE Asian student pipeline.


Considering factory start-up costs are enormous, to include domestic labor overhead, the first step in removing manufacturing and raw goods sourcing out of China, maybe to encourage it's development in select Latin American countries. Colombia being a US ally, having received tons of aide over the last 20-years, would be a good start to develop it's manufacturing capacity. Same for select other countries, as evolving their economies away from the narco sector, to a more sustainable and healthier manufacturing sector. Las Vegas pushed-out the mob because the casinos became big business operations, the same can be applied to these 3rd world counties that have been ravaged by the narcos and gangs.
 
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But outlawing the teaching of a language, especially Cantonese (definitely not the same folks as the Han), seems a bit illogical.

I never defended outlawing the teaching of the languages, just the *public funding* thereof.

Our intelligence services rely language experts. Google translate just isn't the same.




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But outlawing the teaching of a language, especially Cantonese (definitely not the same folks as the Han), seems a bit illogical.

I never defended outlawing the teaching of the languages, just the *public funding* thereof.

Our intelligence services rely language experts. Google translate just isn't the same.


These can safely be recruited amongst people who were privately educated in a foreign language. We don’t need a public school system catering to all minorities, and offering instruction in Mandarin. My city alone has 15 such schools.

By the way, I’m a certified translator, and I know the supply side of my industry; trust me, we don’t need to burn public money just so little Chan can talk to grandpa when he visits.
 
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