Cancel out the Trade deficit, Ban any American Company that makes their product in China, not just tariffs, complete ban of their product "Made in China".

1) Tariffs on any nation which does not protect IP/uses its government to steal IP

2) Ban any government owned company from doing business with the US

3) Any imported product must meet the same safety/quality standards

4) Any plant producing products for the US must be OSHA/EPA compliant.

We need to support development in low wage countries south of our border and do what we can to punish & replace corrupt governments in those countries.
That will accomplish two goals, wean us off the Chinese tit and make countries south of our border more prosperous. Prosperity in those countries will result in less illegal immigration by providing jobs there and develop them as trading partners.

How about make like difficult for the communist party dictatorship. Have the CIA foment rebellions in Tibet and the Uyghur region of western China. Foment a democracy movement in the rest of China. Have the NSA hack into and screw with their domestic surveillance systems. Come up with secure communication system for Chinese dissidents to communicate with each other and the outside world.

Stop buying at Chinese factory outlet stores like Wal-Mart.

I like the idea about restricting visas and returning those that are already here. Sounds like a very prudent first step.

Also I think there should be incentives to return manufacturing back to the US.

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Originally posted by 220-9er:
We need to support development in low wage countries south of our border and do what we can to punish & replace corrupt governments in those countries.
That will accomplish two goals, wean us off the Chinese tit and make countries south of our border more prosperous. Prosperity in those countries will result in less illegal immigration by providing jobs there and develop them as trading partners.

This was my thought as well, in addition to tariffs and repatriating students and cancelling the student visas.

I’d start by banning all the Chinese student spies from coming here and benefitting from our openness.

Hell, I’d ban Chinese people from visiting too.

This question reminds me of College History exams. State your position, discuss all economic and politcal considerations. Interesting thread.

After decades of entanglement it might take a little while to withdraw. US citizens on prescription medicines might prefer we not tell China to F off right away. Citizens can vote with their wallet for sure.

I'm hesitant to post this because it's an argument for more "stimulus spending", but....damn, this looks like a good way to spend panic-driven federal largesse.

Japan To Pay Companies To Move Production Out Of China
Mairead McArdle, National Review, 4/9/2020
http://www.yahoo.com/news/japa...ction-200603807.html

Since there'll always be a need for cheap manufacturing, at least bring it back to North and South America. We'll be killing 2 birds with 1 stone, essentially boosting up the South America and Mexico economies, thus reducing the illegal immigration flow into this country, as well as punishing China.

China doesn't have a choke hold on high tech manufacturing even. Samsung have been producing most of its high end phones in Vietnam for many years now.

As for medicines, many countries can produce it. For example, India has been producing many generics and they are far friendlier to us than Communist China.

As far as rare earth deposits, plenty of deposits in rest of the world to go around and if China is forced to make fewer electronics, they'll be forced to export it.

Stop shopping at walmart?

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One idea is to block the Chinese from having educational visas to study in the US. Grad schools are filled with Chinese, and it seems to be a way for them to transfer research and capability from the US to China.

It's not just in the education system. They are also employed in the government and by DoD. Where I work half of the attendees to classified program reviews are Chinese by birth. They might be U.S. citizens but they sure weren't born here. I don't have anything against people coming to the U.S. to make a better life but I would draw the line on granting security clearances to people born here.

1/2 the people I work with are ethnic chinese \ h1b visa holders. If we didn't bring them in on the cheap we'd be hiring Americans for the jobs.

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Stop shopping at walmart?

Won’t work. You have to ‘incentivize‘ companies to stop producing things in China. Tax breaks for companies that move production from Communist China to the US would get it done. Problem is demoncrats will never go for it.

- Incentives will be needed to attract companies to re-establish a domestic manufacturing base. The US shipbuilding/steel industry cratered when subsidies were withdrawn, meanwhile every other country continued to subsidize its own domestic sectors. The US industry industry weathered away as clients went to these overseas companies. Tax breaks, subsidies, etc...

- Concurrently, Congress is going to need to find compromises in relaxing environmental and labor laws as it pertains to these factory's and the sourcing of raw materials. Setting-up factories makes no sense unless the raw goods and/or, components can be sourced relatively easily. Apparel/footwear factories are all located in the Far East because the textile mills, dye processing and rubber/adhesive labs are nearby.

- Restrict the amount of visas issued to Chinese citizens, the current status quo was/is unacceptable. Wether it's H1B's or, students, there needs to be a review and greater scrutiny to whom is let in. The theory that Chinese students studying in the US will soon adopt and bring back Western values, has only fallen short.

- Start enforcing tariffs in a reciprocal basis. If US products aren't allowed to be imported and sold in country X, than the same will be for US imports.

- Create a new collective defense organization with Japan, S.Korea, Taiwan, Australia, Singapore and India. Such an organization should also get the Philippines and Thailand to get their domestic acts together. SEATO failed in the 70's due to poor articulation and clarity of US foreign policy. Halting China's Belt and Road Initiative should be incentive enough to get countries to start working together.

- There is an overwhelming East Coast/Eurocentric blindness that US policy makers and decision makers posses when it comes understanding the threat from China. Certain military commands and administrative functions need to be moved from the East Coast/Greater Beltway, Westward to emphasize this point. There's a large American-Asian domestic population that can be resourced and tapped-into, as there's no love loss for the ChiComs.

- Ramp-up cyber defense capabilities and start confronting intrusions and attacks. Working with the above countries should be able to spread the workload and responsibilities.

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- Restrict the amount of visas issued to Chinese citizens, the current status quo was/is unacceptable. Wether it's H1B's or, students, there needs to be a review and greater scrutiny to whom is let in. The theory that Chinese students studying in the US will soon adopt and bring back Western values, has only fallen short.

This quota has existed forever. The immigrant visa quota from China is filled in the first hour of Jan. 2 every year. And the waitlist is years long. The students are courted by countless American schools, because Chinese kids' folks pay full tuition, which offsets all the subsidies and scholarships American kids get. Once you're here on a student visa (F1, IIRC), you graduate and have a year to find an H1 sponsor or American spouse. And don't even get me started on the perfectly legal Chinese birth houses in SoCal for rich Chinese to come here and have anchor babies. At least they head right back to China and never become wards of the state. But those kids are US citizens and have zero loyalty to the US when they come back here for college.

With the PRC flexing its muscles in the south China sea would a NATO like treaty with any country who wished to join do any good? We have a treaty with Taiwan already. Why not add to the list.

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Originally posted by Rick Lee:

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Originally posted by corsair:


- Restrict the amount of visas issued to Chinese citizens, the current status quo was/is unacceptable. Wether it's H1B's or, students, there needs to be a review and greater scrutiny to whom is let in. The theory that Chinese students studying in the US will soon adopt and bring back Western values, has only fallen short.

This quota has existed forever.

It needs to be tightened up. As you've pointed out, wealthy Chinese mainlanders are getting into American university's as they're willing to pay the full ride and it makes the college look good.

The college courting and admissions process is a whole other issue for another thread.