So I had this random thought.

It seems like with everyone of every gender, race, and whatever. Gets their own month, parade, or etc. So here's my random thought.

Does celebrating Diversity of a single color, race, or creed. To the point where these events/celebrations exclude or alienate other different individuals. That don't meet the Celebration criteria. Are we further driving a wedge into America. We've always been a melting pot. I don't know... just my ramble of the day.

Ummmmmmm.....yeah

Anything other than celebrating being an American does so. That's not to say you can't have a St Patrick's Day parade, but you should always be American first, Irish(or whatever) a VERY distant second.

"too much" is, in itself, a loaded word.

When we deliberately alienate one established culture, such as White Christians, or Italians, to deliberately favor another, such as Kwanzaa or Native American Day, then, YES...it is simply promoting division.

On the other hand, if anyone REALLY wanted to celebrate Kwanzaa or Native American Day...go for it!
LOL!

Like most things, too much of anything can have negative consequences.

The inverse of your statement is equally true, I'm sure.

But no, I don't think either celebrating diversity or never doing so cause harm, in and of themselves. Ultimately it's about how, how much, when, and other situational things.

Yes.

Was a time when those who immigrated, embraced "Americanism" and "belonging, while still holding to the legacy of their cultures.

That majority has no issue with folks celebrating their culture and often like to share in that.

Why we have things like Mardi Gras, Oktoberfest, Cinco de Mayo and others, although the "celebrations" often are "mixture" of Americanism and some of the elements of the culture, it is often a "new" thing and not always true to the culture or event it was predicated upon.

And all is good.

That, however, has taken a back seat or been made anathema and equal with "Colonialism/White European/Patriarchal Oppression" of others and the subduing or wrongful appropriation crap.

And that does divide, cause distrust and bigotry.

We will always have those who hate another for any number of reasons.

But the segregation we now have, is worse than almost any other segregation we had in the past 100 years.

Yeah, there was a time when there were large influx and whole communities coming into a region, that resulted in very bad situations for all concerned, but that is not, nor likely will be the case in current or future time.

The efforts of the PC and "socialists", create more ills than they cure.

We could do with much less of it and be a healthier nation instead.

I'm happy to celebrate aspects of any culture that are truly worthy of celebration, but things have gone well beyond celebrating, to the point where in order to "celebrate diversity" white/western/christian culture is cast as oppressive and evil, when in fact, in historical terms, no other culture has done more to promote individual liberty, economic success, and compassion for other people and even animals than western culture has.

I am genuinely sad that, it seems to me, we've mostly lost ground over the last 10-15 years with regards to how people from different cultures feel about one another. If only we could all mostly focus on embracing the principals this country was founded on...

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
Yes.

Was a time when those who immigrated, embraced "Americanism" and "belonging, while still holding to the legacy of their cultures.

That majority has no issue with folks celebrating their culture and often like to share in that.

Why we have things like Mardi Gras, Oktoberfest, Cinco de Mayo and others, although the "celebrations" often are "mixture" of Americanism and some of the elements of the culture, it is often a "new" thing and not always true to the culture or event it was predicated upon.

And all is good.

That, however, has taken a back seat or been made anathema and equal with "Colonialism/White European/Patriarchal Oppression" of others and the subduing or wrongful appropriation crap.

And that does divide, cause distrust and bigotry.

We will always have those who hate another for any number of reasons.

But the segregation we now have, is worse than almost any other segregation we had in the past 100 years.

Yeah, there was a time when there were large influx and whole communities coming into a region, that resulted in very bad situations for all concerned, but that is not, nor likely will be the case in current or future time.

The efforts of the PC and "socialists", create more ills than they cure.

We could do with much less of it and be a healthier nation instead.

Totally agree.

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Ideally, no. Then politicians (of the street, the media and other varieties) turn it into an issue of identity politics because breaking us down into groups makes it easier to pursue votes more efficiently. At that point it becomes divisive because when the politicians (and the media) ONLY discuss as according to our differences, then they succeed in defining us by our differences rather than by what we have in common.

Cultural appropriation be damned. Cultural integration is part of American culture. If the leftists don't respect it, then they are guilty of leftist cultural oppression. Fuck them.

On Cinco de Mayo, I go out for Mexican food.
On St Patty's Day, I wear green and sometimes a bit of orange just to be contrary.
On Bastille Day, I French kiss a pretty girl.
On Guy Fawkes Day, I drink warm beer.
And around the time of the winter solstice, I celebrate the birth of some Jewish guy.

I believe it does, absolutely.

Several years ago, I wrote a little screed for my website stating some of my core beliefs. One paragraph addresses this very subject. The very first paragraph addresses Political Correctness and the Perpetually Offended.

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Originally posted by Fenris:
And around the time of the winter solstice, I celebrate the birth of some Jewish guy.

Me, too, and ON the Solstice, my own birthday.

flashguy

I have an issue with the LGBT folks.

Previously I could care less what ever they chose to do. I have some gay friends, I have never discriminated against them or spoke ill of them or their community.

Then all this Pro LGBT crap started to surface. They are imposing their beliefs or lifestyle on the rest of us. THAT does annoy me.

I never cared about them...Now they piss me off.

I don't care if You want to L , G, B or T. Have at it. But do not expect me to CELEBRATE your lifestyle. Just shut up about it, keep it to yourself and we will all be better off.

Yes, that's the whole idea behind it.

The company Dow (which may now be Dow Dupont) posts rubbish on Linked In about diversity. I worked for Dow for about 5 years so I know all about their goal to be diverse and promote the LBGT agenda as well as other people they feel are discriminated against (this by the way does not include men or Christians). Someone up high in their company who happened to be a woman posted about how few women CEO's there are and how they needed to hire more women as CEO's. I replied to the post and asked how many qualified women applied for those CEO positions men held that she referred to. I also asked why she would automatically discriminate against male applicants just to hire females and how that was discrimination in the name of diversity. Of course there were no replies.

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Originally posted by myrottiety:
Does celebrating Diversity of a single color, race, or creed. To the point where these events/celebrations exclude or alienate other different individuals.

“To the point where …,” yes, of course it does. There is nothing inherently wrong with acknowledging and celebrating differences in heritage and culture as long as it’s truly inclusive: The Irish like their Saint Patrick’s Day celebrations and events, but they don’t (thus far) turn them into hatefests directed against anyone who isn’t Irish. If someone who had no known Scottish heritage wore a kilt, I’d just say he’s acknowledging and supporting the traditions of a culture he admires, not, “Don’t you dare appropriate something that you don’t share in!”

The great irony is that the people who are most strident in promoting divisions today are those who clearly feel they have the most to be defensive about. If the greatest danger of death to young men of a particular group is other young men of the same group, then is it easier to acknowledge and try to deal with that fact, or invent a fantasy that they’re being oppressed and killed by agents of the state?

The other great irony is that although many people are fixated these days on the injustices and true oppression of the past, those injustices and oppressions were based on the exact segregation and elitism that are being promoted by the latter-day bigots.

To reiterate a quote I posted just recently:
“Focus on ethnic differences as a fundamental basis for social and political arrangements seems to intensify ethnic separatism and mutual hostility.”
— Donald Kagan, On the Origins of War and the Preservation of Peace (New York: Anchor Books, 1995)

It does...
Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr. wrote a book called "The Disuniting of America" back in 1991 where he predicts this exact outcome.

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Does celebrating Diversity of a single color, race, or creed.
To the point where these events/celebrations exclude or alienate other different individuals.

Like MNSIG said Ummmm Yeah



Furthermore it promotes that diversity is the only answer.

The words "diversity and discrimination" have been totally bastardised that one is Good and the other is BAD.

Both FALSE.

When I hear people using words like "diversity", I want to go get my aluminum baseball bat and wreak havoc.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
When I hear people using words like "diversity", I want to go get my aluminum baseball bat and wreak havoc.

I'm triggered!!

mom and dad had some rules when guests visited the house,
they discouraged conversation about politics, amorous activity, wages and religion.

no one got pissy , no one left the gathering with concerns about future visits and no one felt singled out.

seems like today , everyone wants you to be very sure that you know everything about all of their buisness