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Fighting the good fight |
 Weapon appears to be cobbled together from a wood frame, metal pipes loaded with propellant and projectiles, and lithium batteries for ignition, all held together with tape. | |||
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| Get my pies outta the oven!  |
(It does appear that the Biden regime did release a statement around 9:30 am ET)  | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine  |
On what basis do you say this? Is there some reported evidence or connection? Who kills the ex-prime minister? Why would the Chinese, in particular, kill the ex prime minister? China has done a lot of bad acts, but external assassination hasn't been in their playbook. That is more a Putin or a Korean move. And I am not saying this was Putin or Korea. It is much simpler, and therefore more likely, that this is a home-grown Japanese nut-job/internal terror group. Japan has some history with such crime in the past. Don't outsmart yourself with theories of international intrigue. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine |
Yes, but gun crime is exceedingly rare in Japan, and this thing didn't look like a traditional gun. I am not excusing the lapse, but it may somewhat understandable that this rare, unexpected, committed with a very odd weapon didn't trigger the bodyguard's immediate reaction. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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Get Off My Lawn |
This is a perfect illustration that a very determined individual of reasonable intelligence will "find a way". Steven Bannon once described the very conservative Abe "as Trump before there was a Trump". I don't know if I would use that characterization, but Abe was a Japanese nationalist, and much of the Far East really disliked the man, including Korea and China. "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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His Royal Hiney |
This is a pretty chilling speculation that is well within the realm of possibilities. "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946. | |||
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| His Royal Hiney |
I'm not answering for Balze but the article does say he was doing a campaign speech. It's not clear whether it was for himself or for somebody else. Either way, I suppose his influence and drive has been to make Japan more of a driver in Asia and to rewrite Japan's constitution with respect to their military footing - something that China would be opposed to. "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946. | |||
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By all indications, Abe was well liked and respected both in Japan as well as around the world, and as noted previously, a staunch opponent of communism and a friend of the west. Damn shame to see such a senseless waste. Nice pic of Abe....  ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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| Big Stack |
I was thinking that. But of the Japanese can prove a link, the S will really HTF.
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Look, man, I'm just musing out loud. Just sending out some muses. We all like to muse a bit here sometimes, ya' know? ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Fire begets Fire |
No bueno China "Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty." ~Robert A. Heinlein | |||
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Frangas non Flectes |
I’m sorry to see a good man murdered. May the assassin be swiftly executed… after everything he can tell the authorities. ______________________________________________ “There are plenty of good reasons for fighting, but no good reason ever to hate without reservation, to imagine that God Almighty Himself hates with you, too.” | |||
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| Freethinker |
Without enhanced screening for weapons and if the public is allowed close access to the principal, preventing this type of killing is about impossible. Prior to his assassination and implementation of different procedures, JFK and earlier presidents could have been killed countless times in the same was Abe was. Even then we only need look at the examples of Robert Kennedy, George Wallace, Gerald Ford, Reagan, and many others to see how difficult it is to prevent such efforts, and those were all in a country where use of guns is to be expected. As for security, guns aren’t of much use either. If the bodyguards are close and trained properly, they will go for the attacker and his weapon rather than trying to beat him to the draw after they see the weapon. I’m of course not saying they shouldn’t be armed, but it won’t be a fast-draw contest. And a lot of what the bodyguard(s) can do is dictated by the principal. Most of them are politicians and have very definite ideas about what sorts of measures can be implemented for their protection versus interacting with the crowds. ► 6.4/93.6 “ Enlightenment is man’s emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one’s own understanding without another’s guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one’s own mind without another’s guidance.” — Immanuel Kant | |||
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Web Clavin Extraordinaire |
BBC report says the shooter stated he held a grudge against an organization he believed Abe was connected to. Killer was a former member of the Japanese navy. Earlier report by the BBC this morning (like 7am-ish) said the killer specifically said this wasn't political in nature, but I don't see that in the current BBC article, unless I missed it. They had the guy immediately and the statements sound very culturally Japanese: he accomplished his task, accepted being caught and told people why he did what he did before accepting (eventual) punishment. I find the idea of any foreign involvement beyond far-fetched. Not everything needs to be a conspiracy. ---------------------------- Chuck Norris put the laughter in "manslaughter" Educating the youth of America, one declension at a time. | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
I agree with you, FWTW. But one of the (perceived?) oddities about this is that, at least since the early part of the last century, political assassinations in Japan tend to be committed by right-wingers against those the assassins have seen as being more liberal than they are. The assassination of a conservative there seems to leave more possibilities open.
Again, FWIW (and whether cultural or not - I don't think the subway gas attackers ever did this), very consistent with right wing assassinations of left-wingers in Japan over the past century or so. Ordinary criminals tend to confess more often in Japan if what I've read is true, but in this case it's a culturally somewhat obligatory proffer of proof of sincerity that would distinguish a "killer with a cause" from ordinary criminals or lunatics. | |||
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Optimistic Cynic |
I don't think even the police are allowed sidearms in Japan, much less "security." | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
^^^ I can say that as recently as three years ago, uniformed street cops carried what looked like 3" .38 Specials openly on belt holsters. We also have the Japanese police to thank for the limited number of SIG P230s in .32 ACP running around. I'm pretty sure the cops in Japan can still carry guns now. | |||
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| Get my pies outta the oven! |
They don’t fuck around in Japan That assassin is gonna hang, literally They still hang people there. | |||
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| Speling Champ |
Japanese LE is mostly armed; pistols with a few shotguns and rifles. SWAT type teams are by prefects(counties) and look like their western counterparts. Japanese security services (and especially their executive protection types) are indeed armed and very, very good. Most Japanese law enforcement (as with most Asian and more than a few European countries) are consider part of the country’s military structure, though in an informal, organizational manner. Think of them as a sort of state organized militia in the event of an actual, no shit invasion. This is how I remember it anyways, but it’s been a while and things may have changed. | |||
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| Green grass and high tides  |
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