She mentioned "clear ice." And she also said they were rising and dropping up to 700 feet. That sounds a bit more than moderate turbulence to me.
I believe she was giving the rate of climb/descent in the up/down drafts. Not an amount of altitude.
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November 02, 2026, 06:47 PM
Oat_Action_Man
I more or less idly clicked the video yesterday as one does in this jaded age. Just the video made me literally should "holy shit". Then the audio of the mayday played and I really wish I hadn't heard that.
Some truly sad stuff.
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November 02, 2026, 06:53 PM
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There are things that I simply do NOT need (or want!) to see and/or hear. This is one...
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November 02, 2026, 08:42 PM
old rugged cross
A terrible tragedy. I know very little about aviation.
At 35k feet with light icing. -47 degrees Celsius. A little later reported precipitation. That would seem like a bad combination?
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November 03, 2026, 10:24 AM
robbiedog
Might piss some folks off, but the young lady was still transmitting at the end, doing her job. Though I can't blame the pilot for saying a prayer at the end, and there's no way to know what he was doing besides praying, I would prefer that a professional still be trying to work on the situation. All that said, good on her for getting her part of the job done. No idea how I would act in such a situation. Hopefully won't find out.
November 03, 2026, 11:20 AM
JPD217
For some reason I watched the video with the audio of the radio transmission. I really wish I hadn’t.
That young lady was in a situation that very few will be in and continued to do her job. Prayers and condolences to the families of all involved in this tragedy.
Although pilots have flown through limited state thunderstorms with little or no damage to the aircraft or passengers, these pilots should consider themselves extremely fortunate to be alive.
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Thunderstorm Avoidance General Rules Pilots should observe the following rules for any flight routed even potentially near actual or possible thunderstorm activity:
• Avoid all thunderstorms.
• Never go closer than 5 miles to any visible storm cloud with overhanging areas, and strongly consider increasing that distance to 20 miles or more. You can encounter hail and violent turbulence anywhere within 20 miles of very strong thunderstorms.
• Do not attempt flight beneath thunderstorms, even when visibility is good, because of the destructive potential of shear turbulence in these areas.
• At the first sign of turbulence, reduce airspeed immediately to the manufacturer's recommended airspeed for turbulent air penetration for a specific gross weight (that is, maneuvering speed, or Va).
• If the aircraft inadvertently penetrates the thunderstorm, maintain a straight and level. altitude on a heading that will take you through the storm area in the minimum time.
• Never let compulsion take the place of good judgment.
November 03, 2026, 12:37 PM
ibanda
Reading comments around the internet the past 2 days it's a little shocking how many people think it's 70° high above Florida all the time.
It's winter every single day on top of Mt. Everest at 29,000 feet. The jet's problems started at 35,000 feet. Yes, even in Florida the temperature is 50°F below Zero at 35,000. Throw a storm into the mix and....
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November 03, 2026, 02:14 PM
jimmy123x
In the last photo of the plane, or still shot taken from the video, the elevator is missing.
November 03, 2026, 02:28 PM
229DAK
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Originally posted by jimmy123x: In the last photo of the plane, the elevator is missing.
Yes, Juan talks about that at around 17:12 in his video.
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November 03, 2026, 03:12 PM
jimmy123x
New Information:
"Important pieces from the tail of the doomed Learjet that crashed Sunday in Florida, killing all 9 people on board, had already separated from the aircraft before it hit the ground, investigators said.
The plane’s left elevator – a piece on the tail used to move it up and down – was found in three pieces in a range of around 1.3 to 3.8 miles from the accident site, National Transportation Safety Board spokesperson Thomas B. Chapman told a press conference Tuesday."
It will be interesting to learn when the tail pieces separated, and under what conditions. Presumably high speed, maybe due to flutter at the high speed.
At an extreme nose down angle and with the reported overspeed (meaning they weren't stalled or spinning), they must have reached a supersonic speed. In a normal airliner, which is not nearly as slick as a Lear, just 5 or 6 degrees nose down with engines at idle can get speeds close to the limits.
November 04, 2026, 04:52 PM
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November 04, 2026, 06:19 PM
sourdough44
Aerodynamics slightly aside, the jet was likely unflyable with parts of the tail missing.
Talk about icing or turbulence was likely all related to entering or being to close to the thunderstorm. Hence the real contributor was inadvertently flying into the storm.
8-20 minutes prior one needs a plan in place, climbing not an option. If the storm is ‘embedded’ in cloud cover, the radar is used. Another tool is an airborne weather image, even if 8 minutes old, still useful.
With early information, the main error seems to be the flight(inadvertent) into the storm.
November 04, 2026, 07:01 PM
Butch 2340
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Originally posted by jimmy123x: In the last photo of the plane, or still shot taken from the video, the elevator is missing.
I read a report that said they were diving at a speed faster that the jet was rated for, so parts breaking off would be expected.
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November 04, 2026, 09:25 PM
Fly-Sig
The curious thing is their last moment turn into the thunderstorm. They were successfully avoiding other cells but then turned into it. We'll never know exactly why, but it seems to be either a failure to adequately use their onboard radar, or they miscalculated that they had passed it already.
