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| Purveyor of Death and Destruction  |
China uses a piss poor copy of a Russian jet engine that is severely under powered. Add that to the fact they use ski jumps instead of catapults means they can only take off with a very small payload and fuel. | |||
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Are you postulating that the PRC, in order to continue to satisfy the demand for natural resources, keep their population satiated, not to mention satisfy their deep-down desire to return to being imperialistic hegemon's, they'll need to attack the US to keep us from influencing the Western Pacific? | |||
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| Just because you can, doesn't mean you should |
I suspect they're thinking out of the box to a more up to date solution. The Wuhu Flu has done all that and more whether intentional or not and I'm sure they have taken notice of the effect on their adversaries. Someone (the US, Israel?) destroyed Iranian nuclear stuff with software code changes slipped into the works, not bunker busters. A true superpower confrontation could be over in hours in today's world without involving airplanes or gunpowder. Battleships, aircraft carriers and tanks are for throwing your weight around against uppity third world countries you want to put in their place. We likely don't even know what's out there and won't, only to be used when and if really needed. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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92fs, we must be mind melding. I've been worried about your exact same points for years. I fear you're right. With the level of stupid as high as it is these days, and seems to have been accellerating for some time now, I think we will eventually get caught with our pants down, and on MORE THAN ONE FRONT. The Reds are smart, but half our our political swamp dwellers are marxists, theives, and cowards. Lover of the US Constitution Wile E. Coyote School of DIY Disaster | |||
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| Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
No, I think they believe that if they act aggressively enough they can force us to back down so that they can continue to expand their presence around the world without having to go to war with us, but if they act aggressively enough we will feel compelled to stand up to them so we and our allies don't get rolled over. By that point, if there is a parallel and it holds, the PRC will think it has to follow through both because they'll have committed themselves to the point that they don't have any choice and because our standing up for ourselves will scare the hell out of them. | |||
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His Royal Hiney |
I don't think China's intent with its carriers is to go toe to toe with our carriers. The strategy is to keep us busy elsewhere. I forget the name of the strategy but the idea is if your enemy is superior in one area, you still can't just roll over and cede that part of the battle to them. China's main strength is in the number of bodies they can deploy as boots on the ground. You can bet they have been taking notes on our playbook in the middle east. When they decide to reunify the Taiwan Island back into China, their carrier will keep the our ships busy providing cover for their troop transports. Although, I'll be open to the possibility that Taiwan won't be their first target. "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946. | |||
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The Chinese have long relied on the human wave style of warfare, and this carries over to the digital warfare spectrum as well. What this points to is the importance of controlling the digital battle space and denying an enemy the ability to use said tactics against you.
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Carriers will always be needed to project worldwide power, but are not the be all and end all for the future. Think U.S. Space Force, when you have the capability to target and plink carriers from space they become less relevant. CMSGT USAF (Retired) Chief of Police (Retired) | |||
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| I Am The Walrus |
Of course, the Chinese have never valued life. But I'm sure we have more bullets than they do lives. Not sure why our military should be afraid of the Chinese. Since 9/11, we have had a generation raised in war, we are experienced at war. The Chinese? No. Not unless you count them killing unarmed people. I've read, cannot cite it now, though, we have over 3 million post 9/11 veterans. While many, maybe even most, of those have never experienced combat, many of them have deployed into combat operations multiple times. I have many close friends who have served 20-22 years while deploying 5-7 times to Iraq and Afghanistan during those invasions and surges. The Chinese don't want this smoke from our military. The only question is whether our "elected" officials have the willingness to let our military display its full capabilities. _____________ | |||
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| His Royal Hiney |
There’s that, too. The US cannot depend on any one thing to keep China in check. They have goals and they’ve been working towards those goals. They can’t go toe to toe on the ocean and yet they invested on a carrier so as not to cede that area. While our soldiers may be more capable than theirs, they don’t to worry about their country’s will to continue sustaining casualties. On this front, they’ve been working in our politics and, no doubt, in our press. There’s also the purse strings angle of people benefiting from their commerce with China. They’ve been very busy. I’m not arguing with you about anything. I do like how this discussion caused my mind to zoom out and consider the big picture. I have no solution to offer. I certainly hope better minds will.This message has been edited. Last edited by: Rey HRH, "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946. | |||
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Not to worry. If they have problems and need help I'm sure Chairman Biden will be happy (or forced) to help. | |||
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