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Courts & lawyers- LOT'S of parts to this problem. Backbone is needed, but is currently punished. I had my patience tested... I'm negative. | |||
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I sit next to a dude who two years ago was teaching high school math. He has a Master's in math and one day discovered he could nearly triple his salary if he got a job with DoD. His take is, for STEM teachers that are required to have a degree in the subject they teach, they would be financially foolish to not sell their skills to employers other than schools. Beagle lives matter. ______ (\ / @\_____ / ( ) /O / ( )______/ ///_____/ | |||
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| Why don’t you fix your little problem and light this candle  |
First, you have to understand that 'schools' as we know them have only been here for 150 or so years. In many ways, we are still learning how to do K-12 education. Second, every generation is different. Boomers were different from Depression kids, then came Gen Jones (and hippies  , and we know the rest, GenX (Me!!) and Millenials, and Z et al. Each of these generations are experiencing life through different worldviews, parenting strategies, societal norms and structures. Third, and maybe the most important. The school will always be but a reflection of the community it supports. Who was it said, the raindrop is not responsible for the flood? This is a complex problem with no easy solutions. As a parent, you find a education system that best supports how you choose to raise your child and choose, and support it. For most, this is the local public school. For some it is a local charter, or private school. Private being Christian, Catholic etc., Private System (military, boarding, Montessori etc.) Some, choose homeschooling. We make choices, we must then live with those choices. School Boards set the leadership for the schools, they answer to the state, feds and the community. The system is a reflection for what is desired by the community. Every school since we started all of this has had parents that blame teachers, teachers that blame admins, parents and each other, and finally, admins blame the state and the feds. This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it. -Rear Admiral (Lower Half) Joshua Painter Played by Senator Fred Thompson | |||
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Things have changed since I was a kid. Back then, if you got in trouble at school you kept your mouth shut and hoped that your parents didn't find out. If they did, you could pretty much count on them piling on additional consequences to help you learn how to behave. These days some parents just listen to the kids and back them up against the "evil" school folks. Thankfully, we never had those issues. The kids did occasionally have frustrations with teachers, but they understood that they needed to deal with the teachers, however perfect or imperfect the teachers may be. When the kids came us, it was along the lines of "I'm running into this problem, do you have any suggestions on how best to handle it?" I think we just got lucky. Though in fairness, they didn't go to public schools. | |||
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My wife (a teacher) comes hom and complains about these very things EVERYDAY. Rod "Do not approach a bull from the front, a horse from the rear, or a fool from any direction." John Deacon, Author I asked myself if I was crazy, and we all said no. | |||
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 Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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You can see the problem right here: https://rptsvr1.tea.texas.gov/...apr%2Fpaper_tapr.sas You telling me that those abysmal scores that the Houston schools are seeing are a result of the parents complaining to teachers about bad grades? Or are you saying that they are giving good grades and passing students into the next grade despite so many of them lacking those skills and knowledge....because of the parents? | |||
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One of my close friends went into teaching early on, his mother was a teacher with a very nice CV of accomplishments in her field. So, he dives-in and discovers that the only full-time positions are available at the shitty schools in the district or, he could take a substitute roll with the schools on his side of town. So he does the full-time gig on the other side of town for a year, discovering nearly every, single, PTA meeting, would devolve into the parents accusing him of not doing enough for their kid only after he would point-out is: their child doesn't do any homework, what does get turned-in is largely incorrect or, not very good work, their child doesn't read any of the assigned materials, can't discuss the material and the child's reading level is several grades below where they're at. After two years he got frustrated with the interaction with the parents, and decided to be a substitute teacher instead filling-in for those going on maternity leave, sabbaticals and such at the schools closer to home, which also were more middle-class/upper-class communities. In those classes, while the frequency of indignant parents was much lower, it was the same story, parents not parenting. Zero example-setting for the kids, television/video games on all the time, minimal curfew or, bedtime structure, minimal to no assistance with homework, plenty of indulging and placating. He left after giving it four years and went into the CHP. | |||
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I've been told by two different teachers who worked both; it's easier to teach Adult Basic Education in prison. | |||
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| My other Sig is a Steyr.  |
Had the teachers unions asked themselves about how the COVID lockdowns are working out for 'em? Removing the social structure for a year and a half could have had a negative effect. | |||
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| If you see me running try to keep up  |
I disagree, the school is not where this needs to be taught. Our problem is that society expects public education to raise their kids. This is why it has failed and will continue to fail. There is no way the school can do it when it’s not being done at home. I’m sick of throwing away my tax dollars to the failed system called public education. I raised my child and I shouldn’t have to pay to raise other kids. | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
Schools indoctrinate. It's what they do. Before Horace Mann and the beginning of "public" education, education was done in smaller schools, often with multiple grades or ages in the same classroom. Sometimes the entire school was in one room. It was usually sponsored by a church. It imposed discipline when children acted out. It indoctrinated kids towards faith, family, and country... in that order. "Public" education also indoctrinates kids... "Public" schools are government schools. Most people don't want to admit it, but that is socialism. "Public" education indoctrinates kids to be predisposed towards socialism. There should be a government solution to every problem and government trumps parents. Parents who buy into that don't take responsibility, they've given it over to government. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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