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Originally posted by Voshterkoff:

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Originally posted by jhe888:
If we wanted to drug them into a stupor with thorazine to make them tractable, the ACLU would go insane.

But they'll smoke weed voluntarily.

Why don’t we get them a bunch of hamburgers, some beers, and some women while we’re at it?

They already have mash,trannies,and roast beef!

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Originally posted by az4783054:
the cartels must love the new US marijuana laws

Probably not because I would guess a lot more is grown in the US which cuts them out of the loop.

Don’t forget. This is all at taxpayer expense.

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Originally posted by jljones:
All at taxpayer expense.

Winner!!

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Originally posted by jhe888:


Pure comedy. Jail ain't about reforming. What about a state pen is likely to reform a person?

Yeah, make it a party. That will make them learn their lesson and not want to go back.

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:

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Originally posted by smpsmp:. . . I'm under the belief that anything that just mellows people out in a prison is better for the guards. . . .

Then we should force daily doses of marijuana on the inmates.

Most folks who have to work there would not object

Where I see the problem is that they aren't allowed to have alcohol or any other intoxicant, so why make an exception? Medical reasons? Come on...we know that's bullshit short of glaucoma, epileptics, cancer patients and a handful of other maladies.

So by allowing one group of people in the prison to be intoxicated and not another one, you've created a two-tiered system.

AND it's funded by the taxpayer. If the inmates had to pay for their own weed, maybe, but we all know that's not going to happen...just like we have to pay for their gender "reassignments" or heart transplants.

All of which--again--creates a two-tiered system. Those of us law-abiding citizens on the outside world have to pay for shit like that ourselves, whether it be our intoxicants, our heart surgeries or messing with our reproductive organs.

So not only do we have to pay for our own goods and services, but we ALSO have to pay for criminals'.

And we didn't commit any crimes.

That's the actual injustice.

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Originally posted by 1s1k:

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Originally posted by az4783054:
the cartels must love the new US marijuana laws

Probably not because I would guess a lot more is grown in the US which cuts them out of the loop.

That's naive. The trend of US legalization makes it less risky for them. Don't buy into the liberals argument that legalization ("medical" or "recreational") will stop the cartels.

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Originally posted by 9mmepiphany:

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:

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Originally posted by smpsmp:. . . I'm under the belief that anything that just mellows people out in a prison is better for the guards. . . .

Then we should force daily doses of marijuana on the inmates.

Most folks who have to work there would not object

Sadly, you may have a point.

(My parents, and my brother/his wife, have done volunteer work to help inmates in prisons try to step up to a better life.)

Teach the inmates to grow their own. They can become entrepreneurs upon their release.

the liberals haven't thought of that...yet.

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Originally posted by 1s1k:

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Originally posted by az4783054:
the cartels must love the new US marijuana laws

Probably not because I would guess a lot more is grown in the US which cuts them out of the loop.

Not really, now they just create illegal grow houses in the US in states with Recreational MJ and sell it on the street without the issues of crossing the border and federal agents seizing product there.

You can rent or squat in an empty 10,000 sq foot empty house in CO, grow pot in every room, then distribute it to KS, TX, OK, UT, NM, and more without crossing the international border, your product is already in the USA, less loss, less cost, and still sell it on the street corner undercutting the high taxed costs of licensed sales.

Cops can't tell the difference in pot sold in a store or on the corner... and since possession is now legal, you can't leverage user busts for information.

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Originally posted by az4783054:

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Originally posted by 1s1k:

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Originally posted by az4783054:
the cartels must love the new US marijuana laws

Probably not because I would guess a lot more is grown in the US which cuts them out of the loop.

That's naive. The trend of US legalization makes it less risky for them. Don't buy into the liberals argument that legalization ("medical" or "recreational") will stop the cartels.

You mean like how repealing Prohibition didn't get the mob out of the bootlegging business?

If weed were legal across the U.S. including by the feds, the cartels would be squeezed out. The patchwork we currently have leads to continued smuggling.

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Originally posted by jhe888:. . . You mean like how repealing Prohibition didn't get the mob out of the bootlegging business?. . .

Wasn't Joe Kennedy one of the nations premier booze dealers during the Prohibition??

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:

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Originally posted by jhe888:. . . You mean like how repealing Prohibition didn't get the mob out of the bootlegging business?. . .

Wasn't Joe Kennedy one of the nations premier booze dealers during the Prohibition??

That is what they say, and he was no longer in the business after repeal. In the meantime, he made a lot of money, and bought the family into national politics. So, you can thank the war on drugs/alcohol for the Kennedys.

The claim isn't that cartels would go back to ranching or farming if weed were legal. They probably would engage in other crimes. But it would get them out of the marijuana business.

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Originally posted by jhe888:. . . That is what they say, and he was no longer in the business after repeal. . . .

IIRC a Kennedy family bio of a few years ago noted that Joe Kennedy used his position as US Ambassador to Great Britain to get free shipping of booze to the US.

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Originally posted by HRK:

Not really, now they just create illegal grow houses in the US in states with Recreational MJ and sell it on the street without the issues of crossing the border and federal agents seizing product there.

You can rent or squat in an empty 10,000 sq foot empty house in CO, grow pot in every room, then distribute it to KS, TX, OK, UT, NM, and more without crossing the international border, your product is already in the USA, less loss, less cost, and still sell it on the street corner undercutting the high taxed costs of licensed sales.

Cops can't tell the difference in pot sold in a store or on the corner... and since possession is now legal, you can't leverage user busts for information.

That started way before legalization of marijuana. Sure the current laws don't cut out the cartel completely but I doubt they sell nearly as much as they used to. Most people that are into that sort of thing don't want that type of marijuana these days anyhow.

Marijuana is still illegal under federal law so if jails/prisons ok it wouldn't they stand the chance of losing any federal funds they get?

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Originally posted by gjgalligan:
Marijuana is still illegal under federal law so if jails/prisons ok it wouldn't they stand the chance of losing any federal funds they get?

Depends on who is sitting in the Oval Office. May well be in a few weeks prisons could get a bonus (of taxpayer money) for distributing marijuana to inmates.

How about hookers, blow and when they get out a new home and car??