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Blinded by the Sun |
This is pretty ballsy if the Saudi gov killed this guy in their consulate in a foreign city. https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-45744764 https://www.independent.co.uk/...ul-a8572326.html?amp ------------------------------ Smart is not something you are but something you get. Chi Chi, get the yayo | ||
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Interesting update with a lot more information regarding Khashoggi, who seems to be a Saudi spook and Muslim Brotherhood advocate:
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I believe in the principle of Due Process |
Sundance at The Conservative Treehouse has an elaborate theory of connections, coincidences, alignments, etc. Who knows if any of this makes any sense. Flag #1 – Jamal Khashoggi in self-exile, worked for The Washington Post, and was hiding behind ‘residency’ in the U.S. WaPo is a notorious left-wing intelligence propaganda outlet for the most politicized elements within the U.S. intelligence apparatus. ♦Flag #2 – Turkey (Recep Erdogan) pushing the narrative. Erdogan is a notorious liar when it comes to his interests, and a master manipulator. Turkey/Erdogan is the most openly staunch supporter of the Muslim Brotherhood and has a self-interest in distracting/deflecting U.S. economic pressure from their ongoing relationship with Iran. ♦Flag #3 – Saudi Arabia [Mohamed Bin Salman (MbS)] has been instituting political and cultural reforms that are antithetical to the advanced objectives of the Muslim Brotherhood, Recep Erdogan (wants new Ottoman Empire), and extreme Islam. ♦Flag #4 – The voices behind the U.S. push to promote the Jamal Khashoggi story are all aligned in one purposeful and ideological direction. Former Obama officials including: John Brennan, Samantha Power, Valerie Jarrett et al, are all pushing the story in a transparent effort to create division between the U.S. and KSA and by extension benefit their Muslim Brotherhood and Iranian allies. ♦Flag #5 – The left-wing, highly political, intelligence apparatus – and all DC interests are joined by the notorious right-wing members of the UniParty war machine. [Rubio, Sasse, Flake, Schumer, Menendez, et al] Together with the exact same left-wing media voices (right and left), and all the political ‘think-tanks’, who advance the DC drumbeat. Yes, the gang is all back together again in their high-brow pontification of ‘muh values‘. ♦Flag #6 – The story is being pushed into U.S. media outlets by a notorious Muslim Brotherhood mouthpiece, Khaled Saffuri: [I]n the past 24 hours we now have a glimpse of exactly who is feeding the establishment media reporting on the Khashoggi matter — including at least one source who was tied to a joint Libyan intelligence and al-Qaeda plot to assassinate the Saudi crown prince. Khaled Saffuri is the protege of al-Qaeda fundraiser Abdurahman Alamoudi, who is currently serving a 17-year sentence in federal prison for his role as bagman for the Libyan/Al-Qaeda assassination plot. (read more) Link Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Irksome Whirling Dervish |
Meh. The US provided arms to Stalin who killed millions of his own people. We looked the other way, said some things expressing concern but we gave him arms because was fighting Germany. Saudi Arabia is a stable country for us in the M.E. and in turn, they exert or allow us to do so against our foes. We'll say some bad words, do some things but business will go on as usual. SA is not the US and they don't share our values. We mostly get along with them and that's good enough. | |||
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Told cops where to go for over 29 years… |
All the cloak and dagger stuff aside, if you have to flee your country because you pissed off the defacto dictator, probably not a good idea to go to their embassy or consulate to get paperwork. What part of "...Shall not be infringed" don't you understand??? | |||
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U.S. needs to proceed cautiously and be sensitive to the relationship with the Saudi’s.. ______________________________________________ Life is short. It’s shorter with the wrong gun… | |||
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If he were not a "journalist" the fact that some Saudis killed and dismembered another Saudi wouldn't merit a line in US media. They have been cutting one another's throats for thousands of years, why would we expect them to change now? CMSGT USAF (Retired) Chief of Police (Retired) | |||
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Peace through superior firepower |
Congratulations on missing the significance of this astonishing story. A citizen of a country was tortured, murdered and dismemebered when he went into a consulate of his country. He was turtured, murdered and dismembered at the behest of the Saudi Government. That's bold beyond belief and Saudi Arabia needs to suffer the consequences for their barbarism. Absolutely incredible that they would do this and your indifference to it is your problem, not ours. ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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Move Up or Move Over |
I'm still trying to figure out why I'm supposed to care... Sounds like a Saudi internal matter to me... | |||
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Peace through superior firepower |
If you- or anyone else here- needs this explained to you, then no amount of explaining the absolute barbarism of this act will matter. Good God | |||
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Peace through superior firepower |
The Saudis claim that the man left their consulate by "the back door". with his fiance waiting in a car out front. You can flag this and flag that. Doesn't matter. The man went into the consulate and never came out and the Saudis say he left the building by going out the back door. What else do you need to know? He applied for a marriage license. They knew he was coming. He left Audi Arabia in September of last year because the Saudis blocked him on Twitter. After he left SA, he continued to speak out against Islam and against the Saudi Royal family. Now, how hard is this to figure out? The first chance they had to get their hands on him, they murdered him. ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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I believe in the principle of Due Process |
Sorry. I’m referring to the alignment of factions spelled out in Flags 1-6. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Just for the hell of it |
Saudi has been a crap hole in human rights and even more women rights forever. We have looked the other way for the most part forever. Those in government have chosen the benefits to outweigh the cost of interference. This episode is a new step ad they did it in front of the world. Maybe they thought it would go unnoticed or no one would care. _____________________________________ Because in the end, you won’t remember the time you spent working in the office or mowing your lawn. Climb that goddamn mountain. Jack Kerouac | |||
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Just because you can, doesn't mean you should |
The Saudis are saying that the Turkish government can now search the embassy themselves. The Turks don't want to show their hand as far as surveillance they may have in place. This will be an interesting story as it moves forward. Not a lot of good folks on either side of this one. Both are brutal thugs. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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Most probably, he did leave by "the back door," however it was in pieces... This is very disturbing This could happen to others, going into other embassies. | |||
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Coin Sniper |
This is simple. The guy went into the Saudi Embassy and never came out. If they want to prove that they didn't murder him, all they have to do is produce the man. Show him standing/sitting, talking etc. Otherwise everyone knows he got Hoffa'ed Pronoun: His Royal Highness and benevolent Majesty of all he surveys 343 - Never Forget Its better to be Pavlov's dog than Schrodinger's cat There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. | |||
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Admin/Odd Duck |
If it can be proved that the Saudis murdered this guy, it will diminish the Saudi government's influence in the region and strengthen Iran. That's international politics for you. Great, we can trade one group of bad actors for another group of bad actors. There is no win for anyone here but Iran. If indeed the Saudis did this, did they not think this through? It's a bad situation all around. ____________________________________________________ New and improved super concentrated me: Proud rebel, heretic, and Oneness Apostolic Pentecostal. There is iron in my words of death for all to see. So there is iron in my words of life. | |||
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I believe in the principle of Due Process |
Only from the viewpoint of Western Christian democratic cultures. For most of the rest of the world, and for thousands of years of history, it is business as usual, except for “these PITA westerners we have to do business with.” Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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That's the crux of this, who does the influencing. Saudi's MBS is getting pretty thuggish with his policies, when he first came to power and did some house-cleaning along with new women's rights laws, it was hoped this was a new age of modernity for that place. Now, we know it's business as usual, from bungling the operation in Yemen to this jackassery, he's flexing in all the wrong places. We may never know what happened as the players in that region are experts at obfuscation. Meanwhile, Iran sit quietly, waiting as their Arab neighbors squabble and posture... | |||
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Precisely. It is not hard for me to imagine that some "rogue actors" will be identified as having committed the crime, and will be shot by Saudi law enforcement while attempting to escape CMSGT USAF (Retired) Chief of Police (Retired) | |||
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