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Originally posted by trapper189:
The real rub is that a lot EV people can’t just say it works for them and explain the hows and whys it works for them. No, they have to say that because it works for them, it must work for everyone else as well if everyone else would just change. These people support their claims with fuzzy math, false logic, and name calling. We have both kinds of EV music.

Probably just not people expressing their beliefs well. Or they believe in something they don’t actually understand. A former boss of mine bought a Tesla for his wife and had nothing but good things to say about it. Had some pretty good reasoning.

But, he was honest that it wasn’t saving him money nor was he saving the planet by driving it. It’s rare to find an advocate that doesn’t believe one or the other. Or both.

Electrics handle stop and go duty cycles better than IC. Been that way for a long time. (Large scale plants have used golf carts for that reason for a long time. As have golf courses. The tech just now works for urban duty cycles. Charleston is a “bit” of a stretch for my Tesla. Miami Beach completely makes sense for electric.
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The depreciation is rough but as long as you buy one, with the intent to keep it long term or lease it at the artificially low rates Tesla charges, it still makes sense.

One acquaintance of mine, years ago, was buying used Nissan Leafs, for almost nothing, as his work commuter, because nothing else really held up well to 16 miles a day of driving.

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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by trapper189:
The real rub is that a lot EV people can’t just say it works for them and explain the hows and whys it works for them. No, they have to say that because it works for them, it must work for everyone else as well if everyone else would just change. These people support their claims with fuzzy math, false logic, and name calling. We have both kinds of EV music.

Probably just not people expressing their beliefs well. Or they believe in something they don’t actually understand. A former boss of mine bought a Tesla for his wife and had nothing but good things to say about it. Had some pretty good reasoning.

But, he was honest that it wasn’t saving him money nor was he saving the planet by driving it. It’s rare to find an advocate that doesn’t believe one or the other. Or both.

If he was charging it at Tesla stations vs at home then depending on the cost per Kwh it could be comparable to ICE fuel costs.

Charging at home, especially in most power company deals you can get a discount or lower rates at specific times for the EV to charge resulting in a significantly lower cost to operate than ICE.

The one thing I find is people who've never owned one who just question if it works or make statements that any type of justification by an EV owner on the cost of operation are some how making up the information. They make assertions based on personal ideas and have zero experience with an EV or Hybrid.

I find quite a few EV owners leave out important details and make ridiculous comparisons to justify their decisions. Some stretch the truth as well.

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Originally posted by PR64:
The newest kid coming on the market is the Slate truck.

Starting at $24,950.

Cheap run around until you do the add ons to customize.

I want one for non-sensical reasons.

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Originally posted by HRK:


The one thing I find is people who've never owned one who just question if it works or make statements that any type of justification by an EV owner on the cost of operation are some how making up the information. They make assertions based on personal ideas and have zero experience with an EV or Hybrid.

Yeah basic math will get you every time.

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The one thing I find is people who've never owned one who just question if it works or make statements that any type of justification by an EV owner on the cost of operation is somehow making up the information. They make assertions based on personal ideas and have zero experience with an EV or Hybrid.

I agree. I never owned a 100% EV but I owned two Hyundai Sonata hybrids. I found a key to maximize your mileage or slow, gradual, steady acceleration; anticipate stops; Taking your foot off the gas so you reduce your speed so you never really have to hit your brakes. Come to a complete 100% stop. AVERAGED 45mpg

Dead? Polestar is (in the U.S., at least).

The Drive

I own a plug in hybrid and an all electric car. I have solar with battery back up. It all costm a bundle that I should be able to recover over the next 200 years. I am very happy I don't have to depend on the grid or the stupid asses in the petroleum industry.

I find the ability to power my future E dirt bikes and dual sports solely from power coming from my personal solar array and battery back up to be INCREDIBLY alluring.

Consider this is coming from someone who LOVES two stroke motorcycles….

We power our two EVs from our solar panels and batteries. Run our AC 24/7 during the summer and our electricity bill is $15-$20 a month.

Mercedes EQS 450 and my Mustang Mach E.

I will state for the record once again-EVs will not save the planet and they won’t work for everyone.

I hated the fact they were trying to mandate that everyone had to buy one by a certain year.

I’m not trying to change anybody’s mind. Buy any vehicle that works for you….

Teslas new Larger Y, three row, FSD for a year, year of supercharging.

https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/st.../2072740026081837504

Do I have too own one to say I don't think the third row seats will as comfortable as the ones in the 2006 Armada we had, or the 2012 Odyssey that replaced it or my wife's 2022 Explorer?

PR64,
How much did that solar system cost along with the batteries, chargers, etc including what you paid plus any grants, tax incentives, or other money other people paid?

What's the lifespan of the parts of the solar system and what are any ongoing costs of the system?

Or at least what is the proportionate cost of you solar system for charging your car?

Does your system work if it isn't attached to the grid?

Well Trapper, did I strike a nerve or something.

If you read my post completely you will see that I am not a crusader. You do you and I will do me. I don’t care what anyone drives. Once again get and do what you want.

My solar infrastructure was already on the house when I bought my Mustang.

Regardless I like my energy bill and I know that the solar system will never pay for itself.

Eyes are wide open…

A friend got an invite for a Signature Series Model S. It's an interesting color....I liked it more in person than from initial pics I saw. It's more of a dark, complex maroon than the regular metallic red offered. That said, it's ridiculously expensive

Tesla sold over 480,000 EV’s globally in the second quarter beating analyst expectations.

Of course, the spike in fuel prices contributed to that but it is still a strong number.