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Originally posted by Aglifter:

For the most part, it accelerates like a Viper - actually faster - and has a similar cost per mile as a Civic.

That is a nice thing about electric vehicles. Instant torque.

I eat lunch in my car most days at work. It’s super hot in the Phoenix area. Can an EV run the air conditioning for this scenario?

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Originally posted by LH2:
I eat lunch in my car most days at work. It’s super hot in the Phoenix area. Can an EV run the air conditioning for this scenario?

I've got a bunch of frieinds who have them in Vegas, handles 118 just fine.

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Originally posted by LH2:
I eat lunch in my car most days at work. It’s super hot in the Phoenix area. Can an EV run the air conditioning for this scenario?

Yes you can, and if the car is hooked to a charger the electricity from that keeps it running without draining any battery time. Doesn't slow charging down either as getting the battery to the proper temp range helps with reducing charge times.

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Originally posted by LH2:

I eat lunch in my car most days at work. It’s super hot in the Phoenix area. Can an EV run the air conditioning for this scenario?

Absolutely! I can use the app for my EV to set the temperature, so maybe 20 minutes before I go out to the car, I might start the air conditioning, so the car will be comfortable when I get there.

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Originally posted by WingedMedic:

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Originally posted by PGT:
Roughly break-even with gas (but of course lower/no maintenance costs)

You conveniently forgot the fact that Teslas spend about 3x as much as their ICE counterparts in tire costs... for some reason all the EV proponents forget to mention that when talking about their super low maintenance costs. Also, don't forget that EVs are around 50-100% more costly to insure.

? We worked the numbers in the same spreadsheet we work all the vehicles in the fleet. The tire consumption is about the same as any other car, of similar performance. (IOW, it wears tires the way a Porsche, or a Viper, or a twin turbo V8 MB, etc. Not like a Camry or a Jetta.)

The biggest difference is the lack of all the oil changes, transmission services, less brake service, no fuel filters, etc.

We haven't worked numbers yet on the EV Cadillacs, Chevys, Fords, etc - but a Mustang E might be a good place.

The insurance is a significant difference. We didn't see any insurance come out to double, but 50% is probably about right.

Sorry, I should have been more specific. My numbers are based off of the Model 3 and Model Y (the Teslas that people who are more price sensitive). I doubt people buying the Model S, Model X, Vipers, Porsche, or a TT V8 Benz really have to worry a lot about maintenance/tire costs. A lot of people are buying the 3 and Y thinking it will save them money, when in reality it isn't quite the cost-saver they think it is.

After years of being anti-EV I finally broke down and bought one. I’m one of those idiots that always buy some kind of vehicle and fiddles around with it more than they drive it. And to be fair, I have a work car for when I need to go on trips.

But I stumbled across a 2014 model S p85d with high miles as kind of a project. The dealers had it on the lot for over a year and the price had gone been reduced a lot it’s actually got curb rash and some scratches and small dents. But from about 20 feet she looks really good and way nicer than you’d think. Crazy thing is somebody paid $128,000 for that car in 2014 cause the window sticker was still in it. Test drove it Monday. Holy crap, that thing pulls hard. It doesn’t have the fancy self driving stuff but it’s got really good automatic cruise control and I haven’t had a chance to try out the lane following because it wasn’t turned on when I drove it home.

My personal car is a jeep grand Cherokee from 07 that doesn’t like sitting for two or three weeks at a time sometimes before I drive it or I only drive it around town. I still don’t think electric is ready for everyone to use, we don’t have the infrastructure. But I may as well check it out and I figure if I’m gonna do that I could do that with something fast. For now I’m calling it my budget midlife crisis car until something expensive breaks and I have to get rid of it.

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It isn’t dead, probably not for the immediate future, but should be very limited. Per the owner of the Tesla company, we don’t have enough generation to meet the (now dead) mandate. And that was BEFORE the AI craze. Likewise if we had the generation, we don’t have the transmission and distribution systems. It isn’t fair to saddle every consumer of electricity with the costs of upgrading the systems for users of EVs. You buy an EV, you need to install solar, wind, etc. Lastly, EVs are the least efficient way to move people around, making ICE vehicles look efficient by comparison.

But you want to buy an EV, go ahead, it’s your money. Just don’t make me pay the electric system upgrade bill, the increased power plant bill, the increased insurance bills, etc. Just like I shouldn’t make you pay for gas stations, oil refineries, oil exploration, etc.

Be careful, Nuclear.
You'll get labeled a EV HATER for merely pointing out the obvious.

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Originally posted by WingedMedic:

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Originally posted by PGT:
Roughly break-even with gas (but of course lower/no maintenance costs)

You conveniently forgot the fact that Teslas spend about 3x as much as their ICE counterparts in tire costs... for some reason all the EV proponents forget to mention that when talking about their super low maintenance costs. Also, don't forget that EVs are around 50-100% more costly to insure.

I actually did not and covered tires as the one item that added to running cost on a recently sold 2019 Model 3 and also our second one for our daughter. You can’t pick and choose from what I’ve said to support your position; that’s not intellectually honest.

As for insurance, our rates didn’t change notably from the BMW 440XI and Mercedes E550 that our Model 3 and Model X replaced. YMMV

How are these third world countries generating all that electricity?

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Originally posted by bigwagon:
How are these third world countries generating all that electricity?

Their per capita use is a lot lower than ours.

No matter how much they're using now, they will need more in the future to power all these new EVs. DO you think they are doing it cleanly? I don't.

If that newest aircraft carrier, George Bush I think, can launch with 2 nuclear reactors, don’t see why we can’t design modern reactors for electricity? That’s my thought anyway.

Well the simple answer is we can and have been able to for decades. It’s politics and optics.

Chernobyl was a design disaster from the blueprints all the way to the construction. They knew it and didn’t care. Fukushima originally had the aux generators on the top of the structure but cost and simplicity concerns by “not engineers” (bean counters) moved them to the lower levels where they got swamped by seawater. You don’t lose those generators you don’t have a nuclear disaster.

How many nuclear reactor power plants are there in Indonesia, Vietnam and Thailand? Current answer: zero. They better get cracking if they are going to cleanly and economically power all those new EVS they are driving. And after they build the reactors, they can start upgrading their distribution grid to get the power to all the plug in chargers.

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Originally posted by bigwagon:
No matter how much they're using now, they will need more in the future to power all these new EVs.

Reminds me of people talking about what happens when we run out of oil.


I'm a fuel and fire guy myself but the Mrs. picked up a Lightning truck and left it out in my shop because she wants it to burn down before the house I guess.

It is quiet and even limited on top speed, it will still run 12's in the 1/4 mile. 20 miles a day and you can keep it topped off with a 15 amp 120v outlet.

I'd say with the battery and motor tech they have now, they are a lot closer than they were when this one came out.

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If they didn't go away back then, they are not going away now.

Being a "car guy" I am not really a fan of electronics because they are always the items that fail, however gasoline and diesel vehicles these days are completely stuffed full of electronics. So it's not like you can avoid them, unless you drive antiques.

I drive upwards of a 100+ miles per day so have been avoiding them. Now getting ready to retire I'm considering one. In addition I run my house 100% solar so basically very economical once its paid for.

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Originally posted by bigwagon:
No matter how much they're using now, they will need more in the future to power all these new EVs. DO you think they are doing it cleanly? I don't.

From a few years ago-