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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Denationalization of mental hospitals was a big mistake for this country and the mental patients.Most of them end up in a jail or prison who are not designed to care for them.

The Police did what they had to do.

I suspect that a physically large mentally ill man (as in the video) on some non-over-counter-drug can possess Superman-like strength.

I think they did a great job.

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Originally posted by striker1:
All I can say is thank-you to those who are willing to serve and protect — including those in my own family — and deal with this shite on a daily basis.

absolutely

i lived in this area for 13+ years so had seen some of that video a few days ago

honestly - at some point cops should be allowed to simply 'hickory shampoo' an perp into submission

i took jiu jitsu for long enough to know the fancy stuff doesn't work real well when fighting a determined adversary

there's another video floating around of a big guy basically kicking 3 cops asses in a parking lot and taking their squad car

they were also trying methods that were not producing results

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Don't discount the seriousness of a bite. If it breaks the skin it's possible to infect the bitEE with AIDS/HIV (if the bitER has it).

flashguy

Those 16" or so collapsible batons are crap. Too light and short for real work. The Peacekeeper RCB is the only way to go for collapsible batons. A Dymondwood or hardwood straight stick on a knee/shin/collarbone goes way further for pain compliance.

Use of force is never pretty, but once those cops posse'd up after they got knocked around a bit, they did a good job using minimal force and controlling the suspect.

My wife gets worried if I have to drive truck in the snow. I wonder how the conversation would sound for these folks.

“How was your day?”
“Nearly got the crap kicked outta me by a 400lb lunatic.”

My wife would loose her mind. God bless those folks dealing with these situations, and their families too.

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Originally posted by sigcrazy7:
My wife gets worried if I have to drive truck in the snow. I wonder how the conversation would sound for these folks.

“How was your day?”
“Nearly got the crap kicked outta me by a 400lb lunatic.”

My wife would loose her mind.

Yeah... I don't tell my wife most of what happens in situations like this. When I do, I typically downplay it.

Luckily, most others do the same, so we're on the same page. We know not to be swapping "war stories" when the wives/girlfriends are around. Just stick to the funny/lighthearted stuff.

Yeah. "How was your shift?" "Oh, it was interesting..."

Ours usually goes something like:

"How was work?"

"Workish."

"What'd you do?"

"... Stuff."

What really sickens me here is the totally dishonest media and the leftist agenda that still pushes the anti-police bias, despite incidents like this where CLEARLY cops are doing everything in their power not to cause injury or death. Even at the risk of carrying serious injury to themselves.

After seeing the footage, any honest reporter would quickly point out the obvious issues as are mentioned in this thread. BIG guy, mental health issues, officers getting injured, use of force not working especially well, and yet the perp lives. No, they pander to the retarded family rantings that left their poor baby (that they let run loose in the streets) at the mercy of evil the po-po.

Fuck the media, fuck the guy, and fuck the garbage family.

Between the military and LE she has learned after 21 years it is easier to make believe that I rode around and drank coffee all night. Not the usual stuff I used to do.

IF she does I just tell her another .50 cents towards retirement.

With my current job she will ask how the night was: I tell her I work with dead people, it was super quiet.

This was a cluster start to finish, but I suppose it was handled the best as possible.

One family member did thank the police for not shooting him.....progress, right?

I wonder if he had connected with one of those hay makers, causing one of the LEO's to fall backwards and hitting their head (bumper of the cruiser, asphalt, etc) and had permanent brain damage. Would the family of the perp be so hostile? Or would they celebrate the death of a cop?

I really wonder what the family would have preferred them to do? Remain standing in traffic?

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Originally posted by House Stark:
He should have been Tased

He was. Repeatedly.

There were at least two different Taser deployments seen in the videos of the incident. Maybe more.

Tasers aren't magic wands. They can work well, in ideal scenarios. Most scenarios aren't ideal. So Tasers frequently fail to have the desired effect.

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Originally posted by House Stark:
or they should have used pepper spray on him

Pepper spray would likely have had little effect on the subject, like other tools had likewise failed.

However, when you deploy pepper spray, it is applied to everybody around. And unlike the bad guy, the cops don't have the benefit of drugs and/or mental illness to be able to just shrug it off.

All that pepper spray would have done was further handicap the officers involved, which would have been disastrous in a fight that they were just barely winning as it is.

Give me the old fashioned hickory night sticks aka batons. I'll take one everyday over those collapsible ones. Never had one fail me.

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Originally posted by Bulldog7972:
Give me the old fashioned hickory night sticks aka batons. I'll take one everyday over those collapsible ones. Never had one fail me.

PR-24. The high impact plastic type from monadnock.

Can any LEOs comment on what effect a dog might have had?

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Originally posted by striker1:
Can any LEOs comment on what effect a dog might have had?

Guy like that might have seriously injured or killed one.

Well, I'll just say that if I ever have an enraged, mentally ill, 400# giant coming at me, I'm going to shoot him until my gun is empty. Badge or no badge.

That SOB is VERY lucky to be alive IMO.

Donut Man asked for comments or "what officers could have done differently". The video has thousands of Likes but only a couple dozen Dislikes. A night-stick across the throat levered into a knee in the back of the neck? Probably non-approved, but it has its place.

Glad the officers got the man stabilized without broken bones on anyone's part.

Maybe a strong, powerful Malinois, one on each arm. But then you are introducing a handler to a situation to remove the dog, maybe before the dirtbag is truly ready to give up.

These always end up being the unglamorous "polyester pile" of blue.

The media should have never given the family any kind of platform to spew their ignorance.

Without lab results showing a clean bill of health from the would-be-biter, it seems utterly reasonable to fear for ones life if an adult is actively trying to bite you out of anger.

In the heat of the moment, I'm shooting the guy... because even if zombies aren't real - "Bugchasing" is, and methheads are, and rabies is, and the 'bola is.

That kook is lucky to be alive.