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Originally posted by aileron:
Check out this website - it's the residential section of BHMA Graded Locks. Allegion (aka Schlage), ASSA ABLOY (Sargent, CR, Medeco, Yale, Emtek, etc) as well as Kwikset and Baldwin are voluntarily testing their products to these standards and using the testing icon on their latest packaging. https://securehome.org/

Full disclosure: I work for ASSA ABLOY, and am on BHMA's Board of Directors.

Wondering if you could help me, is there a knack to getting the intetior cover plate on?

Our two exterior doors (front house door and back garage door), and the (attached) garage/house door all have Schlage single-cylinder and key-in-lever locks.

Schlage cylinders are Class 1 and the key-in-lever are Class 2.

The cylinders, at least, come with upgraded strike plates. Don't recall whether the levers did. If they didn't, I at least upgraded the screws so they go all the way to the 2x4s behind the frames.

Pay attention when installing the upgraded Schlage strike plates. They have in in/out orientation, for some reason.

I disagree about key-in-knob locks being "useless."

Keep in mind that keyed both sides may be a fire code violation, and for good reason. While it may help keep a burglar out, it may keep you in when you desperately need to get out. Be careful with this.

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Originally posted by dewhorse:

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Originally posted by rscalzo:

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I want a deadbolt that's keyed from both sides as we have glass in two of our doors.

Same here but I'm not happy about the thought of having to get a key every time I want to exit.

But the best lock in the world won't help with a window in the door.

With our new home went with ASSA Abloy and they are keyed both sides, we keep spare keys close so its not a big deal. Very nice locks. 3 doors with spare keys came in less than $900 and were pretty easy to install...just don't lose the BBs

While you are doing the locks replace the screws in the frame and install a plate such as this....cheap insurance

https://www.homedepot.com/p/St...ment-55724/202076114

If you have any doors that swing out put studs in the hinge side frame so the pin cant be removed and the door pulled.

Also a internal bar is nice and fairly cheap on both types of doors.

Next on my list is 3m window covering foe my first floor windows and motion lights and cameras.

Next on my list is

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Originally posted by BBMW:
Keep in mind that keyed both sides may be a fire code violation, and for good reason. While it may help keep a burglar out, it may keep you in when you desperately need to get out. Be careful with this.

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Originally posted by dewhorse:

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Originally posted by rscalzo:

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I want a deadbolt that's keyed from both sides as we have glass in two of our doors.

Same here but I'm not happy about the thought of having to get a key every time I want to exit.

But the best lock in the world won't help with a window in the door.

With our new home went with ASSA Abloy and they are keyed both sides, we keep spare keys close so its not a big deal. Very nice locks. 3 doors with spare keys came in less than $900 and were pretty easy to install...just don't lose the BBs

While you are doing the locks replace the screws in the frame and install a plate such as this....cheap insurance

https://www.homedepot.com/p/St...ment-55724/202076114

If you have any doors that swing out put studs in the hinge side frame so the pin cant be removed and the door pulled.

Also a internal bar is nice and fairly cheap on both types of doors.

Next on my list is 3m window covering foe my first floor windows and motion lights and cameras.

Next on my list is

Understood, keys are kept close......life is full of risks

All occupied rooms have masks, axes, fire blankets, extinguishers....and extendable ladders if on the 2nd floor

I have the second one linked and after a coupe of years it's been not doing so good. Mostly doesn't want to lock. Takes 3 or 4 tries something to "catch."

I looked online and other people have had the same issue. Not sure how common it is.

**** New Post Aug 19th *****

Damn, my Schlage B60N Dead Bolt on a rear door got picked by a burglar. Picked with no damage to the lock. The guy knew what he was doing. Looks like it took him about 5 minutes.

anything better out there that's not pick-able?

(A neighbor scared off the thief, thank God)

^ I've been out of the game long enough to not know the current technology, but one thing that can make a difference is the variation in pin depths. Look at the key and see if the cuts are similar to each other (easier to pick) or if there are shallow cuts next to deeper ones (harder to pick). I've picked some locks in five seconds, others several minutes, and a few I finally threw in the towel and drilled out the lock and replaced the cylinder.

Good luck.

I have put a major focus on increasing security. Medeco locks, 3” screws, security strike plates, security film on windows, upgraded security system, cameras, dog, etc.

The vast majority of break-ins are by simple force or unlock windows. I’ve done everything I can to try to combat those. Picking of locks is not unheard of unfortunately. That is why I went with the Medeco lock, very very difficult to pick.

The Hercular Mul-t-lock has a different type of key and picking the lock may not be in every burglar's repetoire.

Sorry radioman, what you experienced is rare but possible. As noted above, I work for ASSA ABLOY, the world's largest lock manufacturer. We have more than 80 brands, including Sargent, Medeco, Yale, Mul-T-Lock, ...

Allegion, the parent company of Schlage, makes some great products, but like ASSA ABLOY, designs and manufacturers products to a price point for a given performance level. What you will find a the big box stores aren't going to be the best any manufacturer produces, whether it be an ASSA, dormakaba Best, or Allegion product.

Within ASSA ABLOY products available in the States, both Medeco (made in VA) and Mul-T-Lock (made in Israel) build high security cylinders for their own and competitors locks. I'm not real familiar with the high security lines from Allegion (Schlage) and dormakaba Best, but I have a BHMA meeting in 30 minutes, and will ask my competitor's colleagues about this after the meeting wraps up - and report back on what they offer.

Again, look beyond the big boxes for ANSI/BHMA Grade 1 locks and key cylinders.

I have keyed locks on my homes, and electronic locks with a key override on my shop and airplane hangar. Personally, I would not have an electronic lock without a key override. Oh, the Simplex mechanical products are fine.

We have been keyless for several years. We have Schlage on both house doors, electric locks with no keyed bolts.
Were great for younger kids because they didnt have keys to lose coming home from school while we were working in the office.

Batteries last a long time.

Backlit for night time use.

HK Ag

What we did was have a locksmith come out and add deadbolts to the existing doors and re-key the old locks for the same key. One note - our old door locks were top of the line in their day and well made.

I have these on steel security doors keyed inside and out.

http://www.australianlock.com.au/bilock-57.html

I have the second one on my front door and it's been great so far.

I have a schlage key pad lock on my front door. The electronics lasted about 8 years.

Entryway security it very much like an onion in that there 5 layers to that
Must be in place

To complete the whole.

A great lock but poor doors ,hinge installation, delicate door frame , and a few others can compromise security

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Originally posted by 229DAK:

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Originally posted by rscalzo:

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I want a deadbolt that's keyed from both sides as we have glass in two of our doors.

Same here but I'm not happy about the thought of having to get a key every time I want to exit.

But the best lock in the world won't help with a window in the door.

We only deadbolt when we're not here.

We leave the key in the lock when we go to bed.
Otherwise it is hidden the added layer of security helps against an exit through that door when you are not home and someone wants to cart your stuff out that door.
The flip side is if you are home and need to get out the door in an emergency you better have the key available and we don't dead bolt during the day if we are home.
Worth the trade off to me.

Having no house or garage key is nice. We installed Simplex mechanical (non-battery) keypad locks on the house and garage many years ago. It's really nice to not have to find or carry keys for either. Zero problems in 15+ years.

Took me a while to track down the residential guys at Schlage; here it is from the horse's mouth:

In the electronic deadbolt side of things, the latest technology is in the Schlage Encode WIFI deadbolt. No hub required, very easy install and setup.
https://www.amazon.com/Schlage...kle_mcd_asin_0_title
If the homeowner wants to go “pick-proof” . They can look at the Schlage Touch products. These are non-connected electronic locks with no cylinder at all.
https://www.amazon.com/Schlage...TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==
Mechanically – The B60 is your standard deadbolt with lots of finish options.
https://www.amazon.com/Schlage...2Ctools%2C190&sr=1-1

Not so sure about the B60, it ues the ancient and garden variety Schlage "C" keyway and isn't particularly difficult to pick.

If someone wants a recommendation directly from Medeco, Mul-T-Lock, Emtek or Yale (all ASSA ABLOY companies) let me know.

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Originally posted by tatortodd:
I know there is at least one Sigforumite who works for Assa Abloy which is the parent company of Medeco, Yale, and Sargent. Perhaps he'll see this and chime in.

I went with Assa Abloy locks when we moved in 5 years ago.

Very good locks, even damned near drill proof.

Getting spare or replacement keys is a bit of a PIA as they require the original code to order.

I went with keyed dead bolts, they require keys internally not knobs to unlock, that way even if someone smashes the door window they cannot unlock the door.

3 doors cost around $800 or so but the quality is undeniably higher than anything you will find in the big box stores