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Exceptional Circumstances |
Yeah, unless it is red stakes, enjoy that walk back to think about your shot. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine  |
Recreational golfers should be a lot more willing to play a provisional, should the first ball turn out to be lost. Because, unless it is a fairly serious tournament, they almost never go back for the stroke and distance penalty. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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I have only breezed over the first few, but like what I am seeing so far. Like some others I have reservations about the spike mark repair, as being open to abuse and actually slowing play. I could write an epistle on stroke and distance. As a fairly consistent 15, there are times when it helps me--the provisional is longer by virtue of being straighter than the one I yanked into the blackberry thicket or OB. But there are times you don't hit a provisional when you genuinely think you are in bounds or findable only to discover you are not. It would expedite play to take a stroke and drop at last crossing-which if I'm not in a tournament, I do anyway--but would be nice to be in compliance with the rules. | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine |
It would match what most casual golfers do in a "fun" round, but that would be a big change to a fundamental rule. I am not for it. If you allow a drop with a penalty stroke, many lost balls would end up eminently playable and with a good look at the green. And if a ball is lost, it could be hard to know where to take the drop in some cases. With stroke and distance, you risk hitting the same bad shot again, or making some other error. Golf should stick with stroke and distance for a lost ball or OB. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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| Exceptional Circumstances |
I don't know, how many times have you hit two bad shots in a row? Do over guy is a helluva golfer.  Rarely have I seen someone win a hole after hitting one OB. My groups play the rules. If there aren't red stakes, you need to hit again from the original spot. This rule doesn't bother me at all. There are plenty of ways to speed up the game without making these changes. When I first started I routinely shot in the 100 to 110 range but still finished in 4 hrs. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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Yes. This. I see a lot more provisionals being hit now. | |||
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Too clever by half |
Sometimes balls just disappear for no good reason. It just isn't where it should be, or worse, where you saw it land. Our rough is bermuda, and when they let it grow 4" come tournament time or when we get too much rain to mow, it's easy to lose balls a yard or two off the fairway. They drop to the bottom and you have to walk on it to find it. You have the expectation of finding it, you just don't. I had round last year where I lost 3 balls this way in a single round. Balls that were never close to a hazard are just gone. When conditions are like this, pace of play slows to a crawl sometimes adding half an hour to a round or more, worse in the tournaments themselves. "We have a system that increasingly taxes work, and increasingly subsidizes non-work" - Milton Friedman | |||
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| Staring back from the abyss  |
IMO the spike mark one shouldn't even be needed. Why amateur duffers feel the need to wear spikes is beyond me. Although, admittedly, I bought a pair when I first started way back when too. But, the bottom line is, they make no appreciable difference in your game and are a waste of money to do nothing but tear up the greens. My best round was par, my best handicap was 6, and I shot an 82 from the blues at Pebble Beach (yes, I'm proud of that)...all in sneakers. Aside from that editorial, I have no problem with the changes. They should, however, ban anything more than a foursome, or at least allow those behind to shoot the offenders. I don't play much if at all these days due to orthopedic injuries, but I still love the game. Some years back I played every day. I lived on the second hole of the muni course in Albany, NY and me and my golden would go out every evening and play 2 through 1 (9 holes). We were always the only ones out there and it was incredibly therapeutic. Just a nice, easy, at my own pace, half round. One of the few good memories of my time in NY. ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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| Exceptional Circumstances |
Congrats, those are some damn good numbers. I think you might be the exception instead of the rule. I play much better with some traction than I do in sneakers. Btw, I may get to play Pebble this year for the first time. Pretty excited about the prospect. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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| Staring back from the abyss |
I think the key for amateurs is to not try to crush it like the pros. You/we are never going to be that good or have that distance consistently enough to depend on it, so why try? When I finally made that realization my game improved. Can I hit a 4 iron 210? Yep, but most times it won't go where I want it to. So, when I found myself at that range I swallowed my pride and hit wedge wedge. Much more consistent and much lower scores. With the right swing, and not trying to crush every ball, there's really no need for the extra traction provided by spikes...at least for the average golfer. Of course that's just my opinion. ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine |
The only time I wear spikes (and they are only soft spikes anyway) is if there was a recent rain and it is really soupy. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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| Crusty old curmudgeon  |
You're right regarding spikes for amateurs for the most part but there are times when the tee boxes are damp that they may help. I dropped a lot of strokes off my scores once I stopped trying to kill the ball and only practiced my short game, 100 yards in instead of hitting a bucket off of the tees. I also replaced my 3 and 4 irons and added wedges and a 7 wood. It made all the difference in the world. Now if I could just avoid those damn 3 putts! Jim ________________________ "If you can't be a good example, then you'll have to be a horrible warning" -Catherine Aird | |||
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| I have not yet begun to procrastinate |
I think that one was geared mainly for the pros. Many of them still wear steel spikes and with the green speeds they play on, it makes it a big deal. They still have time limits so hopefully the PGA will actually ENFORCE the time limits. I wear softspikes because I use plenty of ground pressure to swing and I hate when my feet slip. I'm not trying to "crush it like the pros" but I do want all of what I know I can get out of my under-exercised, overfed body. (I *think* part of that rule is also being able to repair damage other than ball marks.) Slow players are just freaking slow. Whether it's not playing ready golf, needing 17 practice swings, walking like the batteries are low, or just slow to pull the trigger once over the ball. There isn't a rule change I see that will speed them up to any large extent because they are in a world where pace of play doesn't register. Getting the marshal to warn them and then move them into position if needed is the only thing that works. Since there are well over a hundred courses in the greater Phx area where you can spend your money, courses are very reluctant to tick someone off by doing this. -------- After the game, the King and the pawn go into the same box. | |||
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