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1. The courts aren't bound by your imagination.

2. The courts aren't obligated to endorse your legal claims to the use of specific (if biologically tenuous) gender-related pronouns - particularly where that's precisely what's at issue before the court - just because you're willing to insist that the court will hurt your feelings if it doesn't.

3. This may only be a panel of the 5th Circuit, but it does seem to be representative of the Circuit as a whole.

4. Pull up your big girl panties, man!

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The Fifth Circuit Rejects The Lie Of Transgender Pronouns
Josh Hammer, National Review, 1/27/2020

Cultural progressives, who reject the very humanity of unborn children but confidently assure us that there are upward of 70 distinct genders, tend to have an uneasy relationship with the truth. And the proliferation of transgender pronouns - the use of biologically inaccurate pronouns describe those afflicted with gender dysphoria - is among the more pernicious tools in the broader arsenal that progressives use to have us question the truth.

Earlier this month, in U.S. v. Varner, a divided panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit boldly refused to appease those who would muddle truth. Over the dissent of a Clinton-nominated judge who used female pronouns in his opinion to refer to the biologically male defendant, the majority refused to subordinate the integrity of the judiciary to a litigant who had moved to require the court to address him as something other than what plain English would indicate he is. In so doing, the Fifth Circuit panel has provided a roadmap for how public officials interested in preserving the commonality and vitality of the English language can resist contemporary progressivism's attempts to obfuscate truth through the propagation of biologically inaccurate and linguistically imprecise transgender pronouns.

Writing for the Varner majority, Trump-nominated judge Kyle Duncan first observed that "no authority supports the proposition that we may require litigants, judges, court personnel, or anyone else to refer to gender-dystrophic litigants with pronouns matching their subjective gender identity." Second, because "federal courts today are asked to decide cases that turn on hotly-debated issues of sex and gender identity," Judge Duncan feared that the court's use of subjectively felt but biologically inaccurate pronouns would "unintentionally convey" a "tacit approval of the litigant's underlying legal position." Third, referring to "Pronouns - A How To Guide," a colorful five-column-by-nine-row matrix from the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee LGBTQ+ Resource Center, Duncan argued that "deploying such neologisms" could "well turn out more complex than at first it might appear" and "could hinder communication among the parties and the court."

Ultimately, the panel majority logically "declined to enlist the federal judiciary in this quixotic undertaking." Duncan's courageous refusal to engage in it amounts, in progressive parlance, to "deadnaming" or "misgendering." For transgender activists and the rest of the "woke" mob, such rogue behavior is akin to malicious aggression. But it is reflective of both the biological truth that, for a language to remain viable, words must have readily discernible meanings.

To capitulate to the Pandora's box of transgender pronouns is to pretend that, exceedingly rare intersex exceptions aside, there is more to sexual differentiation than the duality of chromosomal male and chromosomal female. To yield to the soft tyranny of transgender pronouns is to pretend that gender dysphoria is an anodyne lifestyle on which society legitimacy should be conferred, not a psychological malady requiring compassion and psychological treatment. It is to act as if simple words that have meant the same thing for centuries can change their meanings overnight without ruinous consequence for the language's durability. It is to encourage the premature sexualization of children and accede to often irreversible tampering of their hormones. It is to undermine the ancient Hippocratic oath: "First, do no harm." Paul McHugh, professor of psychiatry at Johns Hopkins, maintains that to encourage "surgical intervention is in reality to collaborate with and promote a mental disorder."

To be complicit in the legitimization of transgender pronouns is, in short, to assist the mainstreaming of a destructive lie. In warping our language to promote the lie, we hinder our ability to stand athwart its corrosive effects. The precise use and ubiquitous acceptance of words is a necessary precondition for the survival of a common language; that is doubly true when the words at issue are not abstruse but function as basic means by which we distinguish between the two sexes. True, Antonin Scalia once warned that "words change meaning, and often in unpredictable ways." But sure that dynamic cannot apply to rudimentary linguistic building blocks such as pronouns.

Let us state the obvious: A man remains today a man, and a woman remains today a woman. To pretend otherwise, however well intended the obfuscator may be, is a lie against human nature and leading already to the Orwellian "gender transitioning" of innocent preteens.

The Fifth Circuit has blazed a trail for public officials who would seek to defend biological and linguistic truth against the relativists. It is crucial that other judges and politicians alike now follow Judge Duncan's lead. Nothing less that truth itself is at stake.

Original text at http://www.yahoo.com/news/fift...ender-113040505.html

Does anyone know if those who would have the courts adopt transgender pronouns have ever offered any evidence in support of their propositions? Or have they just claimed that if the rest of us don't use their pronouns that they will somehow really have their feelings hurt? After all, if there are 70 genders out there, then how are they to be defined scientifically - and therefore objectively, which is to say accurately and fairly? I understand logic does not always obtain, even in our wisest counsels, but how is it that a judge felt obligated to explain, in detail, the panel's decision to refuse to accede to the defendant's request?

There's one other question I'm curious about, and I wish the court had discussed it. How would you fill out a warrant and execute it if you didn't know which of the 70 genders a suspect identifies with at any given moment?
 
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There is a story of the progressive professor that allowed his students to set their gender and how they would be named by him. A couple of people chose to have the professor call on them with something like “Oh greatest of gods, I humbly beseeched you on my knees...
The professor would have none of but but was stuck as others were naming themselves with progressive names and gender.
Story only. I have no idea if it’s true. However, If given a chance...



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Thank god!!! I hope many other courts follow and send these lunatics back where they belong on the island of misfit boys and girls.
 
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To be complicit in the legitimization of transgenderism pronouns is, in short, to assist the mainstreaming of a destructive lie.
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It is crucial that other judges and politicians alike now follow Judge Duncan's lead. Nothing less that truth itself is at stake.
Likely nothing more than wishful thinking at this point.


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^^^ Eh, I don't know about that. Duncan's not the only federal judge Trump's nominated and gotten confirmed.
 
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I always thought its funny that these losers demand that we respect them for who they are now when they couldn't respect themselves for who they were previously

good on the Judge for trying to put a halt on this crap

these people are just mentally deficient



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If you know someone trans, and they want to be addressed a certain way, that is where "preferred pronouns" belong.

That person isn't entitled to the clerk at Dunkin' Donuts knowing they prefer "Xe."

The operative word is "Preferred."

People who really mean "Demanded" can fuck right off.


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Isn't this the same as Jordan Peterson's arguement? Yes, to be polite I may use whatever pronoun you want but I can't be forced to do so by law.

Sad that common sense now has to be adjudicated.
 
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Amazing that there are so many brainwashed, delusional, wet dream, progressive democrats out there that aspire to this BS. And these Ass Holes want to rule the land and over us pions! If this nonsense was slapped down when it started instead of going along with it, we all would be better off. So, again I have to state that these democrats are a cancer to America and need to be shut down ASAP!
 
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Originally posted by dewhorse:
Isn't this the same as Jordan Peterson's arguement? Yes, to be polite I may use whatever pronoun you want but I can't be forced to do so by law.

Sad that common sense now has to be adjudicated.


Essentially. Same goes for Shapiro.
 
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Sad that common sense now has to be adjudicated.

No matter how much it costs, or who pays those costs, they will always figure it doesn't cost anything to try.
 
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I saw this elsewhere, and I’m adopting it: I self-identify as a knight of the realm, and my preferred pronouns are thee/thine/thou. No less a fiction in my own mind, and certainly no more or less laughable.


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If you know someone trans, and they want to be addressed a certain way, that is where "preferred pronouns" belong.
Forgive me Arc, but I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. I always try in every personal encounter I come upon to be as courteous, polite, and thoughtful as possible (probably due to the exposure I had as a kid to my grandfather). But when it comes to this particular situation, you will always get the pronoun(s) from me associated with the gender you were born as. What you think you are or want to be does not change the way I behave, nor does it change my approach and use of the English language. Call it inflexibility, age, or my personal belief system, but I am not altering my behavior or approach in dealing with someone who has a serious mental disorder in terms of who they 'think' they are.


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Sad that common sense now has to be adjudicated.


The "not so commonsense" folks are looking for adjudication to validate their position, same ol story, same ol playbook..
 
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