I know firearms inside the parks will set-off the alarm bells and the cavalry will come. Firearms on the property but, not inside the parks, different story. There's not much detail about how this 'discovery' was made, not sure why a bellman is looking into a guest's luggage. If you've have your blaster or, boomstick with you, why isn't it locked-up? Especially if you're gonna have somebody else handle it...

Are you really carrying your AR in a MOLLE-tactical looking case, into a resort hotel? Or, a distinctive long-case...didn't think breaking it down would lesson any issues?

Rookie mistake. He should have broken it down into pieces and distributed the weight into everyone's luggage.

Would have saved everyone a lot of time

Yes, it also said a woman was arrested with two handguns earlier. She was arrested.

For what, specifically? What special power does Disney have to regulate Second Amendment Rights that the rest of the state doesn’t have?

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Originally posted by jljones:
Yes, it also said a woman was arrested with two handguns earlier. She was arrested.

For what, specifically? What special power does Disney have to regulate Second Amendment Rights that the rest of the state doesn’t have?

The article mentioned that she didn't have a concealed weapons permit, so maybe she got a citation for unlawfully carrying concealed.

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Originally posted by Aeteocles:

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Originally posted by jljones:
Yes, it also said a woman was arrested with two handguns earlier. She was arrested.

For what, specifically? What special power does Disney have to regulate Second Amendment Rights that the rest of the state doesn’t have?

The article mentioned that she didn't have a concealed weapons permit, so maybe she got a citation for unlawfully carrying concealed.

Maybe.

From dealing with a lot of corporations, it has been my experience that few if any want this type of story out. So, they avoid LE interaction with their customers. Hence, me wondering what actual laws are being broken when action is taken.

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Originally posted by jljones:
So, if you carry a gun into their facility, what crime are you committing?

This many, according to the article...

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“No arrests were made because no laws were broken,” the sheriff’s office said Tuesday when reached for comment.

Thankfully, 'irritating the mouse' is not illegal in Orlando.

"No Guns" signs have no force of law in the State of Florida unless they are covered as any of the places defined in the FS 790 where a license (CCL) does not permit carry of a firearm.

Therefore, if it is a lwful permitted place for Concealed Carry, or otherwise permitted to transport a firearm in a carry container, then a "No Gun" sign has bearing.

Disney, the gun owner, and LE all did OK as far as I can see.

A nothing story trying to be a something story, by a nobody wanting to be somebody.

But we call them busy bodies.

I've been to Disney World a few years ago and had no problems. Then again, concealed means concealed.

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The bellman handling the bag to bring to the man’s room wondered why it was so heavy, made the discovery and reported it to his manager who then contacted the sheriff’s office, the report said.

"Made the discovery." Hmmm, I would be awfully suspicious of that dipshit for any theft that has happened. How did he make that discovery? It could've been weights in there. Dipshit opened the bag snooping for stuff. Wouldn't surprise me if he has stolen stuff from guests there before.

However, fuck Disney, they're a leech on Central Florida providing nothing but traffic and low wage jobs.

Hotels are paranoid about this shit nowadays. I was in Vegas last year and went back to my room mid day. Opened the room door and there was a hotel employee poking around. It was because the Do Not Distrub sign was up on my door for more than 2 days.

If you bring things to a hotel, lock your shit.

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Originally posted by Phred:
Concealed means concealed. Dropping your guns off with the bellman is just stupid. Clearly the bag was unlocked, allowing the bellman to make the discovery.

Back up junior. I've got over a million frequent flier miles in multiple airline accounts and not once in all those trips did any hotel staff anywhere in the country open one of my bags. I would have been beyond livid if hotel staff had opened one of my bags without my specific authorization. This guy did nothing wrong, and due to his cooperation with LE, this story is essentially a huge nothing burger.

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Originally posted by HayesGreener:

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Polynesian Village Resort

It is part of the Disney complex. They do not want firearms on their premises.

What people who don't live in Florida don't grasp, Disney is really its own little unique entity in Florida, wherein they have full control and dictate everything. In many ways they have more control over their properties than cities in Florida have over their residents and properties.

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Originally posted by jljones:
Yes, it also said a woman was arrested with two handguns earlier. She was arrested.

For what, specifically?

If memory serves, she was arrested for concealed carry of guns without a concealed carry permit. As the article noted, the man from this story had a Florida Concealed Carry Permit, so because he fully cooperated with LE, this whole thing became a non-issue with both Disney and local LE. My congrats to Disney and LE for how this was handled.

Curious what his plan was for securing the weapon while in the park. Handgun, simple you can bring along a lock box and stash in car securely or use a room safe. Long gun? sure you could run cable and lock through mag well and ejection port but a bit more difficult to conceal and keep out of sight.

I am always paranoid about staff legitimately or illegitimately entering my hotel room while I am not there las thing I would want would be the hassle of them coming across my AR, legal or not. Anytime I am at a hotel, the "Do not disturb" sign is on the door for the entire visit. I don't need my bed made for me and when it is time for fresh towels, I will catch housekeeping in the hallway. After Vegas the climate has changed and you can't expect the level of privacy you might have before.

As PrinceAliFabulousHe noted, even putting the "Do Not Disturb" sign out is no guarantee of privacy. Hotels are being forced to be more invasive to protect themselves from legal action which they fear more than an irate customer.


All sorts of products to increase hotel room security while you are IN the room, someone could make a mint if they came up with a simple, non-destructive, portable product to secure your hotel room while you were out during the day that would effectively thwart hotel staff (or others) from entering without your knowledge or approval.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by HayesGreener:

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Polynesian Village Resort

It is part of the Disney complex. They do not want firearms on their premises.

What people who don't live in Florida don't grasp, Disney is really its own little unique entity in Florida, wherein they have full control and dictate everything. In many ways they have more control over their properties than cities in Florida have over their residents and properties.

THIS!

You would be surprised at the autonomous nature of the Disney complex. I know for a fact that they have their own highly trained security force that includes at least one ex SF guy(but probably more). Due to their high profile they have contingency plans for every conceivable terrorist action and they train regularly for them.

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Originally posted by PrinceAliFabulousHe:
Hotels are paranoid about this shit nowadays. I was in Vegas last year and went back to my room mid day. Opened the room door and there was a hotel employee poking around. It was because the Do Not Distrub sign was up on my door for more than 2 days.

If you bring things to a hotel, lock your shit.

FWIW, lodgings get hinky about suicides and deaths in their rooms in cases like that.

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Originally posted by 911Boss:
All sorts of products to increase hotel room security while you are IN the room, someone could make a mint if they came up with a simple, non-destructive, portable product to secure your hotel room while you were out during the day that would effectively thwart hotel staff (or others) from entering without your knowledge or approval.

Simply Safe Home Security might work.

"In addition to the guns, the man brought three rifle magazines with 90 total rounds and two 9mm magazines with 20 rounds total."

That was it??

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Originally posted by kidcop:
FWIW, lodgings get hinky about suicides and deaths in their rooms in cases like that.

And the reason why? Because of all the people who believe, and act, as though businesses and anyone else who was remotely associated with an incident deserve to be sued into oblivion because of that association. The Mandalay Bay atrocity was a perfect example, but expressed attitudes about the recent murder at a demonstration in Denver serve well enough as another. The American people have demonstrated what they believe businesses’ liabilities in such cases should be, and the businesses have responded exactly as expected—and as they should for their own self-defense.

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but expressed attitudes about the recent murder at a demonstration in Denver serve well enough as another

That's a poor example. In the Denver incident, employees of the news station were actively involved in a murder. Yes, employer bears some responsibity for the actions of its employees. Same as if they caused a car accident while driving the company vehicle.