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August 26, 2017, 11:26 AM
sdy
question on Texas voter ID
With the recent ruling where a federal judge threw out the Texas voter ID law, where do things stand for 2018 elections ?


http://www.foxnews.com/politic...as-voter-id-law.html

A federal judge Wednesday rejected Texas' revised voter identification requirements, handing another court defeat to the state's Republicans over voting rights.

On Wednesday, U.S. District Judge Nelva Gonzales Ramos rejected a watered-down version of the voter ID law that was signed by Texas Gov. Greg Abbott earlier this year. The judge's new ruling came three years after she struck down the earlier version of the law.

The new version of the law didn't expand the list of acceptable photo identifications -- meaning gun licenses remained sufficient proof to vote, but not college student IDs.

But the changes would allow people who lack a required ID to cast a ballot if they signed an affidavit and brought paperwork that showed their name and address, such as a bank statement or utility bill. The new version was supported by the U.S. Justice Department, which once opposed the law but has reversed its position since President Donald Trump took office.

But Gonazles Ramos said Texas didn't go far enough with its changes and said that criminal penalties Texas attached to lying on the affidavit could have a chilling effect on voters who , fearful of making an innocent mistake on the form, simply won't cast a ballot.

a "chilling effect" on people trying to vote illegally

Nor was she swayed by Texas clarifying under the revised law, known as Senate Bill 5, that both U.S. passport books and cards would be accepted. " This feature remains discriminatory because SB 5 perpetuates the selection of types of ID most likely to be possessed by Anglo voters and, disproportionately, not possessed by Hispanics and African-Americans," she wrote.

because Hispanics and blacks can't get passports? People w passports are also most likely to be U.S. citizens

Judge Nelva Gonzales Ramos is a United States District Judge of the United States District Court for the Southern District of Texas, appointed by Barack Obama
August 26, 2017, 11:57 AM
TomS
Can you spell A C T I V I S T judge?


Best regards,

Tom


I have no comment at this time.
August 26, 2017, 12:01 PM
flashguy
Is it time to put this question to the SCOTUS? The arguments made by this judge are very similar to those that imply the Eclipse was racist because the track of Totality didn't cover enough Black folks.

flashguy




Texan by choice, not accident of birth
August 26, 2017, 12:15 PM
SapperSteel
quote:
Originally posted by flashguy:
Is it time to put this question to the SCOTUS? The arguments made by this judge are very similar to those that imply the Eclipse was racist because the track of Totality didn't cover enough Black folks.

flashguy


No. Be patient.

Let it ride a couple more years. Let Trump get another Gorsuch on the panel to replace Ginsburg. Then slam this issue out of the park.


Thanks,

Sap
August 26, 2017, 12:26 PM
Balzé Halzé
quote:
Originally posted by sdy:

Judge Nelva Gonzales Ramos is a United States District Judge of the United States District Court for the Southern District of Texas, appointed by Barack Obama


And clearly a progressive, activist imbecile.

The bolded sections of that article by the OP have left me speechless. I can't even comprehend that magnitude of absurdity. Does anyone actually take this idiot seriously? Incredible.


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August 26, 2017, 12:35 PM
Elk Hunter
quote:
Originally posted by toms:
Can you spell A C T I V I S T judge?


Yes!
Judge Nelva Gonzales Ramos


Elk

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August 26, 2017, 12:37 PM
Elk Hunter
quote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
quote:
Originally posted by sdy:

Judge Nelva Gonzales Ramos is a United States District Judge of the United States District Court for the Southern District of Texas, appointed by Barack Obama


And clearly a progressive, activist imbecile.

The bolded sections of that article by the OP have left me speechless. I can't even comprehend that magnitude of absurdity. Does anyone actually take this idiot seriously? Incredible.


Remember who appointed her


Elk

There has never been an occasion where a people gave up their weapons in the interest of peace that didn't end in their massacre. (Louis L'Amour)

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. "
-Thomas Jefferson

"America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." Alexis de Tocqueville

FBHO!!!



The Idaho Elk Hunter
August 26, 2017, 05:33 PM
jbcummings
AG Paxton says they'll just take it to the appeals court. 2018 is a year away, there's plenty of time to appeal.


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September 06, 2017, 08:58 AM
sdy
https://hotair.com/archives/20...d-law-not-dead-told/

The injunction preventing the law from going into effect received a second look by an appeals court in New Orleans and the law was, at least for now, resurrected

A three-member panel of the U.S. 5th Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans voted 2-1 to put the lower court judge’s ruling on hold while it considers the constitutionality of the law, which was passed this year by the state’s Republican-controlled legislature.

related:

http://www.nationalreview.com/...-voters-462-counties

There were 3,551,760 more people registered to vote than adult U.S. citizens who inhabit these counties.
September 06, 2017, 12:48 PM
JALLEN
quote:
Originally posted by sdy:
https://hotair.com/archives/20...d-law-not-dead-told/

The injunction preventing the law from going into effect received a second look by an appeals court in New Orleans and the law was, at least for now, resurrected

A three-member panel of the U.S. 5th Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans voted 2-1 to put the lower court judge’s ruling on hold while it considers the constitutionality of the law, which was passed this year by the state’s Republican-controlled legislature.

related:

http://www.nationalreview.com/...-voters-462-counties

There were 3,551,760 more people registered to vote than adult U.S. citizens who inhabit these counties.


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Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
April 28, 2018, 12:58 PM
sdy
https://www.washingtontimes.co...-texas-voter-id-law/

A federal appeals court ruled Friday that Texas’s new version of its voter-ID law can go into effect, rebuking a lower court judge for trying to block the law and delivering a significant victory to voter-integrity advocates.

The original law passed earlier this decade had been blocked after the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals concluded both its purpose and effect was to punish minority voters.

But the state legislature went back and made changes, and the 5th Circuit, in a 2-1 ruling, now says the new version cures what ailed the previous one.

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton hailed the ruling.

“The court rightly recognized that when the Legislature passed Senate Bill 5 last session, it complied with every change the 5th Circuit ordered to the original voter ID law,” he said. “Safeguarding the integrity of our elections is essential to preserving our democracy.”

The new law includes a longer list of ID options that are acceptable for voting purposes, allows people to use expired identification for even longer and requires mobile dispensaries to dole out election identification documents to those who might not otherwise have a valid ID for voting purposes.

A lower court had ruled that because the original law was illegal, and the new version updates the old law, it doesn’t eliminate the original discrimination “root and branch.”

But Judge Edith H. Jones, writing for the appeals court majority, said the lower court overlooked the “obvious improvements” in the new law.

“To the contrary, all of the evidence supports that SB 5 was designed to remedy every defect claimed in the plaintiffs’ evidence and to supply indigent voter protections recommended by this court’s remand order,” she said.

Judge Jones, a Reagan appointee to the bench, was joined by Judge Patrick Higginbotham, also a Reagan pick.

Judge James E. Graves Jr., an Obama appointee, wrote a dissent defending the lower court’s ruling and saying the updated law can still be judged based on the original, discriminatory law.
April 28, 2018, 01:08 PM
Il Cattivo
So is this going to the full 5th Circuit?
April 28, 2018, 01:21 PM
sdy
"So is this going to the full 5th Circuit?"

haven't heard of an appeal yet

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/0.../texas-voter-id.html

An appeal by the plaintiffs — a group of Democratic lawmakers, individual voters and black, Hispanic and civil-rights organizations that sued Texas — seemed likely. They can appeal to either the full Fifth Circuit or to the Supreme Court.

One of the most contentious issues with the new law is that it creates criminal penalties for those who make false statements in their sworn affidavits, a move that critics of the law believe confuses and frightens potential voters.

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"potential" or "illegal" ?