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What are the specific reasons that an FFL will not accept a shipment from a private seller? Is it a matter of dealing with ATF issues, other legalities? Is this standard practice in the industry? Does the private seller have to furnish several forms of identification to the FFL? Thanks | ||
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Oriental Redneck |
Don't know what the reasons could be. Paranoia? These days, most FFL dealers will accept from non-FFL individuals. The only requirement from them is that you send a copy of your state ID/DL along with the package. Q | |||
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Delusions of Adequacy |
Most that I have talked to that will not accept from individuals stopped because they often recieved shipments lacking any or all of: The identification of the sender The identification of the recipient Contact information for either of the above. All of this makes it impossible to correctly log the transaction, make sure it gets tot he right person, or even return it. And they just don't want to be bothered anymore. I have my own style of humor. I call it Snarkasm. | |||
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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
I am a Licensee. In addition to the reasons posted by zoom6zoom, I do not accept handgun or stripped AK- or AR-pattern lower transfers from non-licensees because one too many shipped one via the US Postal Service, despite being warned by me that doing so is a felony under 18 USC 1715. I also have seen them ship handguns in ways non-compliant with the FEDEX or UPS tariff. This means the insurance is voided, and if the gun was damaged, lost, or stolen the seller would have been required to refund my customer, the buyer. I have seen that go sideways one too many times. I recommend shipping handguns and stripped AK- or AR-pattern lower using a licensee, as it is cheaper. If you comply with the FEDEX or UPS tariffs, it means overnight shipping which is stupidly expensive. Using a licensee is often half the price, including the fee the licensee charges plus the cost of USPS Priority Mail. Lastly, for rifles and shotguns, I do accept those, but require there is insurance for the full value of the sale price. I do this to ensure my customer is protected, as I've seed rifles and shotguns shipped in boxes with no protective padding (this case resulted in a broken FAL) or wrapped in moldy outdoor carpeting duct taped to the wooden stock and blued metal of a collectible shotgun. In short, the behavior of others is the reason you can't ship directly to many licensees. That said, if you need to ship to northern Virginia, I am willing to discuss accepting direct shipments from SIGforum members because they are a cut way, way above your average firearms enthusiast. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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| Ammoholic |
Good advice, just make sure you know how your FFL is going to ship. I no longer use one local licensee for shipping because they shipped my pistol to the volcano base UPS second day. When queried, they said, “The Post Office is too much of a pain to deal with and next day Air is too expensive.” Had I wished my pistol to be uninsured, I could have sent it second day Air myself, quicker and at lower cost. Fortunately, it got there, but I didn’t make that mistake again. | |||
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Yeah, that M14 video guy... |
If it comes from another FFL, that FFL should have already done a stolen gun check, so the chances of receiving a gun that was reported stolen is reduced. A FFL should always do a stolen gun check before logging it into the books. I dread the day I receive a firearm from someone for repair that doesn’t know it was reported stolen because he bought it from a private party. Then I have to call the local authorities, hand it over, report who sent it to me, etc... When receiving from another FFL, all that is required to log it in is the FFL number from which received, so the log entry is easy and streamlined. I verify the FFL I received it from is valid and current on FFLEZcheck before logging. Tony. Owner, TonyBen, LLC, Type-07 FFL www.tonybenm14.com (Site under construction). e-mail: tonyben@tonybenm14.com | |||
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| Purveyor of Death and Destruction  |
 Must be a state thing. There isnt a federal database for dealers to check. There should be though.It hasn't happened to me yet but a ffl friend of mine received a pistol with a live round in the chamber and a loaded mag. I have received several handguns and lowers from individuals via USPS. Its also very common to receive guns that are uninsured or no signature required. I come home to find them sitting at my front door. | |||
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Fighting the good fight |
Actually, the number of local gun dealers around here willing to accept from private individuals continues to dwindle. I know several who used to, but now only accept from another FFL. Probably tired of dealing with all the hassles that come along with dumb private sellers who don't know the law, or how to ship a gun, or how to package a gun, or how to unload a gun before shipping it, or who forget to include their ID so you can't log it in, etc. | |||
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| If you see me running try to keep up  |
Yep, there is no such thing for FFL’s in Texas. I accept from individuals but those shipments are usually more problematic. I don’t care how they ship, if they want to break the law and take their chances it’s their choice - I’m an FFL not the police. If the firearm gets lost or damaged coming to me it’s not my issue, it’s the buyers so I have nothing to lose receiving it. | |||
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| Victim of Life's Circumstances  |
If you don't have an ffl to ship through check out Ship my gun from Bud's Gun Shop. About 1/2 overnite rates. ________________________ God spelled backwards is dog | |||
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Knowing is Half the Battle |
The reason I hear from FFLs around me is they don't want to send a copy of their FFL to to an individual is they think they will doctor it and white out the FFL info and put the seller's info in it and pretend to be them and do transfers or something under their FFL. Its pretty tin hat/chemtrail level paranoia. They know me very well, and still are careful to pull the SELLERs FFL out of the shipment so I can't do the same thing... If I am shipping to a FFL as an individual, I will not ship unless I have a copy of the FFL. I think they got some extra scrutiny/training/paranoia injection from the ATF for having their fully automatic rentals stolen two different times while they were hanging on the wall in the showroom overnight, unsecured. | |||
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| If you see me running try to keep up |
I used to be like that until I realized it was a stupid practice that wasted my time. | |||
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No one around here will do it and I can't really blame them. | |||
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| Stupid Allergy  |
Doesn’t bother me to accept firearms from a non FFL. I get a scanned copy of the shippers DL and CHL if they have one BEFORE, they get a copy of my FFL and ship. I keep detailed records beyond what the ATF requires. There is no stolen firearm database to check as noted previously. "Attack life, it's going to kill you anyway." Steve McQueen... | |||
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| Rail-less and Tail-less |
My FFL who is a friend and neighbor refuses to ship via USPS anymore. They keep losing guns. The last one was one of mine, traded to member here. They misplaced the pistol for a couple of weeks. The most alarming part was that no-one in the USPS gave a damn. I went with him to the post office and spoke with the manger and post master and they just shrugged it off like “hey things get lost.” It wasn’t until he contacted the ATF and postal inspectors that they started actively looking for it. Where it was found is beyond me. He’s retired local LEO and is pretty well known around town, you would thing that the post master would be at least willing to help. This is the 3rd time in the last 2 years they have lost a pistol he shipped. Luckily they found it this time. _______________________________________________ Use thumb-size bullets to create fist-size holes. | |||
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A Grateful American |
Exact reasons given by my fried who holds FFL. And the several times he has received loaded guns. "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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| Go ahead punk, make my day |
What is a "stolen gun check"? | |||
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| Muzzle flash aficionado  |
No idea how it's done, but the pawn shops here in Dallas are able to check for stolen guns--I've recovered 3 that were found by pawn shops. I know for sure that 1 was caught before it was pawned--the other 2 may have been caught by the police when the property report was submitted. I agree that there should be a way to determine if a gun was listed as stolen. Just a simple "yes" or "no" answer, with no details, would be an improvement. flashguy Texan by choice, not accident of birth | |||
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None of my regular FFLs around here will accept shipments from non-FFLs anymore. A couple of them used to but have since stopped for the same reasons already mentioned. With the number of FFLs within reasonable traveling distance in this state, I could probably find one if I need to, but my current go-to FFL only charges $10 for transfers, so I'd rather just pay the seller a little more and ask them to go through an FFL to ship. 十人十色 | |||
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| Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
Some states allow licensees who have digital access to enter a buyer/transferee's information into the NICS system to also access the BATFE stolen gun database. I know this is the case in Virginia. With this access you can run the make, model, serial number of a used gun to see if it is in the database. If so, it must be surrendered to the Virginia State Police and the buyer/transferee (for out-of-state sourced guns) or seller (for in-state sourced guns) is out the value of the gun. I have yet to have a customer ask that I do a stolen gun check. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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