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My own anger at the assassination is so strong that it borders on physical pain. I simply do not want the action of a deranged left-wing bigot to prompt the same reaction from me. Utah has the death penalty by firing squad if lethal injection isn’t available. I would hope that is the fate of the assassin! FAFO… No quarter .308/.223 | |||
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You sound like you work for the government. 4 people? I have an $1800 drone and could easily cover that area by myself with one drone. Certainly keeping an eye on all the high locations since apparently that’s not done at all. A 15 second battery change and I’m back in the air for another 30 minutes. I’m just saying it’s something to consider realizing most of these types of shootings happen from an elevated position. You can hire 30 people to stand near the speaker but all they are going to do is stop someone from rushing the stage. At the very least they need to clear the buildings before the event and then keep people watching every entrance. | |||
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I hope the perp’s father, who turned him in, will get the $100K reward. Serious about crackers. | |||
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| The Ice Cream Man |
I can’t imagine he would want it. Usually, when family turns someone in, it’s with an agreement not to seek the death penalty. | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
Yeah, he should. He would probably give it to a charity. What a difficult thing to have to do... "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| Left-Handed, NOT Left-Winged! |
A father who's a 27 year law enforcement veteran, and a mother who cares for disabled people, with an intact family, two siblings, and upper middle class upbringing. Good parents teach their kids right from wrong, but also hold them accountable when they do wrong. I am thinking we will hear from the parents that college radicalized their son. But also curious to see what signs there were, and if there is any history or mental illness. | |||
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Doubt that college had anything to with it. | |||
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His family no doubt were gut punched by the admission. May time reveal the facts and motives behind it. I presume the guy went to Utah State in Logan. | |||
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The shape of the bolt handle is all wrong for a REM 700 or clone as well. I feel pretty comfortable saying that it is not a Remington 700. “It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” | |||
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My hunch is the kid was marinating in online garbage or campus groupthink, because nothing in that family background screams assassin. Feels like we’re watching another generation get twisted up by ideology and spit out broken. | |||
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In regards to the use of drones and requisite manpower, is there not drone technology that could do overwatch autonomously? It seems like a pretty simple task to program a drone to loiter within a certain GPS defined area, say 1000 yard radius from the protected person, and then watch rooftops, windows, etc. for activity. If it detects activity that would be considered suspicious, push a notification out to a person or group of persons that could a) view a live feed of the activity and 2) provide GPS coordinates of the exact location. Surely that has to already exist, and at a price point accessible to private persons? | |||
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| Looking at life thru a windshield  |
I have watched real estate and roofers in my area launch drones and survey properties in minimal time. Really think they should be used more. | |||
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| Savor the limelight |
Not an expert. We have about a dozen Mausers; surplus, sporterized, and commercial; and a half dozen Model 700s. The front ring of the receiver looks Mauser like. | |||
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Kash said he would see Charlie in Valhalla. Charlie is in Heaven, not Valhalla and yes there is a difference. I dislike Kash because I believe he is incompetent. Beagle lives matter. ______ (\ / @\_____ / ( ) /O / ( )______/ ///_____/ | |||
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| Back, and to the left  |
The rifle has been positively identified as a model 98 Mauser converted to 30.06 in this mornings' press conference. Also confirmed were the sophomoric, moronic engravings on the cartridges. They were called out very specifically (there were symbols present as well) but were composed of such bullshit that I can't accurately recall their content. ETA: The casing that had been fired read: “notices bulges OWO what’s this?” One read, 'hey fascist! catch!' with an up arrow symbol, right arrow symbol, and three down arrow symbols. Another one read: “oh bella ciao bella ciao bella ciao ciao ciao,” Cox said. The third fired casing read: 'if you read this you are gay lmao.' link | |||
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| No More Mr. Nice Guy |
There is no gun registration in Utah, and a strong private sale culture. There could easily be no record of who purchased the rifle. Also, there is a strong preparedness culture to include firearms here, and it is not unlikely this young man was well acquainted with shooting, and it would not be at all surprising to me that he had owned this rifle for years. I expect the parents are fully cooperating with the investigation, to include the circumstances of the rifle. | |||
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Get Off My Lawn |
Yeah, given his family and location, I would guess he knows and shoots guns, I'm sure he didn't have to take a crash course before he fired a single shot to kill Kirk.  "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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That photo is probably from a National Guard Open House day. He never got to fire that one. _________________________ | |||
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Legalize the Constitution |
Couldn’t hear the questions asked at the press conference in Orem, but in light of the inscriptions on the rifle rounds, and the spent casing, I wanted someone to ask if the assassin had a connection to ANTIFA, even if just through social media. When you describe Charlie Kirk as a “fascist,” it’s logical to conclude that Robinson considered himself anti-fascist. _______________________________________________________ despite them | |||
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| Live Slow, Die Whenever  |
 "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I require the same from them." - John Wayne in "The Shootist" | |||
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