Charlie Kirk Assassinated

September 12, 2025, 08:53 AM

1s1k

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Originally posted by jljones:
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Originally posted by 1s1k:
I don’t understand why security guards don’t have a couple of drones that could easily survey the roofs of all these buildings very quickly and very easily and if someone sees something get the speaker out of harms way.

If they can’t do any better than they have this will be bound to happen over and over. It used to be the fringe leftists that were unhinged enough to do it but after the last couple of days it’s obvious a much bigger percentage than any of us thought.

Without significant resources, you pick and choose what you can cover. You have limited resources, and you lock down roof tops? The shooter just moves to another interior location. Or otherwise creates an urban hide.

People chattering about drone this and that. Ok, two drone teams are a minimum of four more people. Depending on the drone, depending on wind conditions, can only stay airborne 20-40 minutes. So, in order to have constant ISR, you have to time the drones going down to stagger them. And the drone has to be in the right place at the right time.

Fact is, security on a budget is tough. I have significant time doing dignitary protection. And it is labor intensive. I know we want someone to blame, but the chances are they did the best that they could afford. Evil finds a way. They just have to be lucky.

You sound like you work for the government. 4 people? I have an $1800 drone and could easily cover that area by myself with one drone. Certainly keeping an eye on all the high locations since apparently that’s not done at all.

A 15 second battery change and I’m back in the air for another 30 minutes. I’m just saying it’s something to consider realizing most of these types of shootings happen from an elevated position. You can hire 30 people to stand near the speaker but all they are going to do is stop someone from rushing the stage.

At the very least they need to clear the buildings before the event and then keep people watching every entrance.

September 12, 2025, 08:54 AM

Pipe Smoker

I hope the perp’s father, who turned him in, will get the $100K reward.

September 12, 2025, 08:56 AM

Aglifter

I can’t imagine he would want it. Usually, when family turns someone in, it’s with an agreement not to seek the death penalty.

September 12, 2025, 08:58 AM

chellim1

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Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:
I hope the perp’s father, who turned him in, will get the $100K reward.

Yeah, he should. He would probably give it to a charity.
What a difficult thing to have to do...

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-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

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-rduckwor

September 12, 2025, 09:07 AM

Lefty Sig

A father who's a 27 year law enforcement veteran, and a mother who cares for disabled people, with an intact family, two siblings, and upper middle class upbringing. Good parents teach their kids right from wrong, but also hold them accountable when they do wrong.

I am thinking we will hear from the parents that college radicalized their son. But also curious to see what signs there were, and if there is any history or mental illness.

September 12, 2025, 09:13 AM

ZSMICHAEL

Doubt that college had anything to with it.

September 12, 2025, 09:19 AM

rat2306

His family no doubt were gut punched by the admission. May time reveal the facts and motives behind it. I presume the guy went to Utah State in Logan.

September 12, 2025, 09:22 AM

Lt CHEG

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
About the rifle, what do the experts say?

Back when the rifle was first reported as being found, it was identified as a Mauser. Although the picture is blurry and I can’t be certain, I don’t see the somewhat distinctive Remington 700 type safety lever.

The shape of the bolt handle is all wrong for a REM 700 or clone as well. I feel pretty comfortable saying that it is not a Remington 700.

“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”

September 12, 2025, 09:26 AM

RangeWalker

My hunch is the kid was marinating in online garbage or campus groupthink, because nothing in that family background screams assassin. Feels like we’re watching another generation get twisted up by ideology and spit out broken.

September 12, 2025, 09:26 AM

Chuck Perry

In regards to the use of drones and requisite manpower, is there not drone technology that could do overwatch autonomously? It seems like a pretty simple task to program a drone to loiter within a certain GPS defined area, say 1000 yard radius from the protected person, and then watch rooftops, windows, etc. for activity. If it detects activity that would be considered suspicious, push a notification out to a person or group of persons that could a) view a live feed of the activity and 2) provide GPS coordinates of the exact location. Surely that has to already exist, and at a price point accessible to private persons?

September 12, 2025, 09:27 AM

fischtown7

I have watched real estate and roofers in my area launch drones and survey properties in minimal time. Really think they should be used more.

September 12, 2025, 09:28 AM

trapper189

Not an expert. We have about a dozen Mausers; surplus, sporterized, and commercial; and a half dozen Model 700s. The front ring of the receiver looks Mauser like.

September 12, 2025, 09:35 AM

xd45man

Kash said he would see Charlie in Valhalla. Charlie is in Heaven, not Valhalla and yes there is a difference. I dislike Kash because I believe he is incompetent.

September 12, 2025, 09:36 AM

83v45magna

The rifle has been positively identified as a model 98 Mauser converted to 30.06 in this mornings' press conference.

Also confirmed were the sophomoric, moronic engravings on the cartridges. They were called out very specifically (there were symbols present as well) but were composed of such bullshit that I can't accurately recall their content.

ETA:
The casing that had been fired read: “notices bulges OWO what’s this?”

One read, 'hey fascist! catch!' with an up arrow symbol, right arrow symbol, and three down arrow symbols.

Another one read: “oh bella ciao bella ciao bella ciao ciao ciao,” Cox said.

The third fired casing read: 'if you read this you are gay lmao.'

link

September 12, 2025, 09:56 AM

Fly-Sig

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Originally posted by ChuckFinley:
and if the rifle was registered to the father and taken by the shooter.

There is no gun registration in Utah, and a strong private sale culture. There could easily be no record of who purchased the rifle. Also, there is a strong preparedness culture to include firearms here, and it is not unlikely this young man was well acquainted with shooting, and it would not be at all surprising to me that he had owned this rifle for years.

I expect the parents are fully cooperating with the investigation, to include the circumstances of the rifle.

September 12, 2025, 10:01 AM

oddball

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Originally posted by Fly-Sig:
Also, there is a strong preparedness culture to include firearms here, and it is not unlikely this young man was well acquainted with shooting, and it would not be at all surprising to me that he had owned this rifle for years.

Yeah, given his family and location, I would guess he knows and shoots guns, I'm sure he didn't have to take a crash course before he fired a single shot to kill Kirk.

September 12, 2025, 10:07 AM

wcb6092

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Originally posted by oddball:
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Originally posted by Fly-Sig:
Also, there is a strong preparedness culture to include firearms here, and it is not unlikely this young man was well acquainted with shooting, and it would not be at all surprising to me that he had owned this rifle for years.

Yeah, given his family and location, I would guess he knows and shoots guns, I'm sure he didn't have to take a crash course before he fired a single shot to kill Kirk.

That photo is probably from a National Guard Open House day. He never got to fire that one.