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FBI crime figures paint a very different picture of crime and policing than this weekend’s demonstrations suggest.

Heather Mac Donald
September 25, 2017

The FBI released its official crime tally for 2016 today, and the data flies in the face of the rhetoric that professional athletes rehearsed in revived Black Lives Matter protests over the weekend. Nearly 900 additional blacks were killed in 2016 compared with 2015, bringing the black homicide-victim total to 7,881. Those 7,881 “black bodies,” in the parlance of Ta-Nehisi Coates, are 1,305 more than the number of white victims (which in this case includes most Hispanics) for the same period, though blacks are only 13 percent of the nation’s population. The increase in black homicide deaths last year comes on top of a previous 900-victim increase between 2014 and 2015.

Who is killing these black victims? Not whites, and not the police, but other blacks. In 2016, the police fatally shot 233 blacks, the vast majority armed and dangerous, according to the Washington Post. The Post categorized only 16 black male victims of police shootings as “unarmed.” That classification masks assaults against officers and violent resistance to arrest. Contrary to the Black Lives Matter narrative, the police have much more to fear from black males than black males have to fear from the police. In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer. Black males have made up 42 percent of all cop-killers over the last decade, though they are only 6 percent of the population. That 18.5 ratio undoubtedly worsened in 2016, in light of the 53 percent increase in gun murders of officers—committed vastly and disproportionately by black males. Among all homicide suspects whose race was known, white killers of blacks numbered only 243.

Violent crime has now risen by a significant amount for two consecutive years. The total number of violent crimes rose 4.1 percent in 2016, and estimated homicides rose 8.6 percent. In 2015, violent crime rose by nearly 4 percent and estimated homicides by nearly 11 percent. The last time violence rose two years in a row was 2005–06. The reason for the current increase is what I have called the Ferguson Effect. Cops are backing off of proactive policing in high-crime minority neighborhoods, and criminals are becoming emboldened. Having been told incessantly by politicians, the media, and Black Lives Matter activists that they are bigoted for getting out of their cars and questioning someone loitering on a known drug corner at 2 am, many officers are instead just driving by. Such stops are discretionary; cops don’t have to make them. And when political elites demonize the police for just such proactive policing, we shouldn’t be surprised when cops get the message and do less of it. Seventy-two percent of the nation’s officers say that they and their colleagues are now less willing to stop and question suspicious persons, according to a Pew Research poll released in January. The reason is the persistent anti-cop climate.

Four studies came out in 2016 alone rebutting the charge that police shootings are racially biased. If there is a bias in police shootings, it works in favor of blacks and against whites. That truth has not stopped the ongoing demonization of the police—including, now, by many of the country’s ignorant professional athletes. The toll will be felt, as always, in the inner city, by the thousands of law-abiding people there who desperately want more police protection.

Heather Mac Donald is the Thomas W. Smith Fellow at the Manhattan Institute and a contributing editor of City Journal.

https://www.city-journal.org/h...-protests-15458.html



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Heather MacDonald has done outstanding work on this issue, particularly her book, The War on Cops.
To sum up the post above: all that kneeling stuff is to support a damned lie.


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Very interesting statistics.
 
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I'm sure CNN will be hosting panels all day and night, and airing specials on this in prime time for the foreseeable future.
 
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I had not seen those stats before. The whole charade is based on a lie.
 
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Facts before Feels!




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It's NOT ABOUT FACTS.

It's about hating America.

Nothing more, nothing less.


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I thought we decided the other day that the FBI crime report was inaccurate, incomplete and poorly done.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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Lies, damn lies, and statistics!




"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
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I don't think "we" decided anything. I think a few individuals might have. If they want the rest of us to believe that, they're going to have to come up with an alternate, provable source of conflicting statistics.

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I thought we decided the other day that the FBI crime report was inaccurate, incomplete and poorly done.
 
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Holding my breath waiting for this to air on ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, etc




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We all believe what we choose to believe. In this case this review of the data appears to be the most plausible to me. Others (I believe relatively few here) take the evening news as the gospel truth.

Fortunately it appears that the media and Hilly are both working as hard as possible to completely destroy their own credibility.

By seeing the implosion of half of the political machine on one side, and some success by the other half on the other side, there is a notable percentage of the people that are on soft ground looking for which way to go.
 
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Never let facts prevent a damned lie!!!

These sorts of statistics have been around for a long time.

But, the assholes have made up their minds (thanks to the likes of CNN) so we should not try to confuse them with facts.


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You don't spell "Lies" with a "v" in the middle.






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Heather MacDonald has done outstanding work on this issue, particularly her book, The War on Cops.

So good that the SJWs and Leftists can't tolerate her being allowed to speak in public.


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I don't think "we" decided anything. I think a few individuals might have. If they want the rest of us to believe that, they're going to have to come up with an alternate, provable source of conflicting statistics.

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Originally posted by JALLEN:
I thought we decided the other day that the FBI crime report was inaccurate, incomplete and poorly done.


Well, the tenor of the discussion seemed to be that there were many problems with the data such as to render conclusions therefrom suspect.




Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.

When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown
 
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The common excuses I hear for data like this ranges from CIA provides guns to inner city blacks to DA prosecutes blacks to harsher sentences to slavery tore down the black family (when in fact it was the "War on Poverty" enacted by a democRat), Jim Crow or some other excuse that somehow blames everyone but the criminals.


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Well written parry to MSM!


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This has long been the lie.

The problem lies within the destruction of the black family by the Democrats, the true racists throughout this countries history.

Now the dolts at the NFL are buying into the the blame game. Personally, I'm having none of it. Never have.

The question is, what is their objective? Trying to bring attention to a false narrative like they are? They are not speaking to an existent problem, only a farcical one. What is their end game? Other than the appearance they are cognizant (of a non-existent) problem and hope to draw in useful idiots? Black Power?

How about black irrelevance?

They are not going to enjoy the dialogue that will come from this. Squarely placing it back in their own laps.
 
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