the presidency, and the expressed intention of WHO is to reduce the world's population.

https://rumble.com/v3u2y91-dr....-in-just-45-min.html

I wish there was a thread for this.

I stopped watching a few minutes after “we sent the report to every elected official and every state AG and to date and no charges have been filed” (against Fauci).

Please hear me out fully.

1. That admission that no elected official or state AG has taken up their cause is rather self-incriminating with respect to the validity of their claims.

2. I don’t believe the title of that “summit” including the term “sovereignty” is coincidence and has no connection to the sovereign citizen movement.

3. Do I believe there were coordinated wrong doings regarding COVID involving Fauci and other US and foreign actors - the whole of which is basically a conspiracy? Yes.

4. Do I believe this group of conspiracists to be so well entrenched and established that they can propagate red herring conspiracy theories that are so far out and which purpose is to hide and instill doubt on the existence of the actual conspiracy? Yes.

And I think this video and the venue from which the video came is an outlet for outlandish conspiracy theories to take away attention from the actual conspiracy that happened. And I’m not saying the whole video is completely wrong because the best strategy in this situation, were I wanting to protect the actual conspiracy, is to seed enough actual information and trust those with the proclivity to believe in conspiracy theories to exaggerate and blow out the truth into crazy theory land.

And, yes, I got all this from the guy’s admission that they sent it to every elected official and state AG and no one has taken up the cause.

I somewhat concur with Rey HRH in that there are so many moving parts that it is difficult to understand the actuality of how the whole Covid thing came about. One thing that casts major doubts in my mind about the extent and intent of "The Conspiracy" is that those who's agenda benefited from its play out do not seem to be smart enough to have conceived of it. No question that they took advantage of events, but conception and execution of the "plot" seems way beyond their capabilities.

Also, no question that the great majority of the American public places way too much trust in the competence and integrity of their elected officials. Ripe for the picking comes to mind.

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
2. I don’t believe the title of that “summit” including the term “sovereignty” is coincidence and has no connection to the sovereign citizen movement.

Do you think Dr. David Martin is one of those nut job sovereign citizens?
If that's the case, I'll never watch any of his videos ever again.

I have watched several of his videos, and there was never anything that made me feel he was sympathetic to the "sovereign citizens". He did suggest, in the full video, that the people who brought us Covid will try again. He is concerned that a Covid v2 could be much worse, and having a backup place to live in the country would be very helpful.

I would say he is a bit of a prepper, mostly because he understands what could happen with an all out infection spread into the cities. Food distribution could be greatly impacted, among other things. As mentioned in SF numerous times, having a backup plan so one can be self sufficient could be instrumental in staying alive.

At the start of the COVID plandemic, Dr. David Martin , Dr. Judy Mikovits and others exposed the corruption of Fauchi and others. It took months and in many cases years for some people to take notice. Anyone who has watched his videos knows he is talking about medical and National sovereignty that is under attack across the globe.
Suggesting Martin is a member of the sovereign citizen movement is laughable.

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
2. I don’t believe the title of that “summit” including the term “sovereignty” is coincidence and has no connection to the sovereign citizen movement.

Do you think Dr. David Martin is one of those nut job sovereign citizens?
If that's the case, I'll never watch any of his videos ever again.

I don’t know either of the people. I thought I was clear enough on the basis of my suppositions - the admission that his findings and “indictments” were forwarded to all elected officials and every state AG and no charges based on his report has been filed to date. No elected official or state AG even those who were critical of how Covid was handled? Which is more rational to believe - that every elected official and state AG is controlled by the Covid conspiracists or is the report just not credible?

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At the start of the COVID plandemic, Dr. David Martin , Dr. Judy Mikovits and others exposed the corruption of Fauchi and others. It took months and in many cases years for some people to take notice. Anyone who has watched his videos knows he is talking about medical and National sovereignty that is under attack across the globe.
Suggesting Martin is a member of the sovereign citizen movement is laughable.

Before you laugh, let’s look at this logically, shall we?

I didn’t connect Martin with the sovereign citizen movement, my ding on him is, as what I said, his admission that every elected official and state AG he sent his report to had not acted on it.

The sovereignty connection logically would be with Sasha Stone and while he may not be associated with the American sovereignty movement, a quick google search shows he’s on the same level as they are. Which supports one of my suppositions that a way for the real Covid conspiracists to obfuscate the actual existence of the conspiracy is to feed half-truths through known wacko conspiracy theorists.

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I don’t know either of the people.

This is obvious.

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
I thought I was clear enough on the basis of my suppositions - the admission that his findings and “indictments” were forwarded to all elected officials and every state AG and no charges based on his report has been filed to date. No elected official or state AG even those who were critical of how Covid was handled? Which is more rational to believe - that every elected official and state AG is controlled by the Covid conspiracists or is the report just not credible?

You honestly have more faith in our state elected officials than I do.

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:

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Originally posted by Jupiter:
At the start of the COVID plandemic, Dr. David Martin , Dr. Judy Mikovits and others exposed the corruption of Fauchi and others. It took months and in many cases years for some people to take notice. Anyone who has watched his videos knows he is talking about medical and National sovereignty that is under attack across the globe.
Suggesting Martin is a member of the sovereign citizen movement is laughable.

Before you laugh, let’s look at this logically, shall we?

I didn’t connect Martin with the sovereign citizen movement, my ding on him is, as what I said, his admission that every elected official and state AG he sent his report to had not acted on it.

The sovereignty connection logically would be with Sasha Stone and while he may not be associated with the American sovereignty movement, a quick google search shows he’s on the same level as they are. Which supports one of my suppositions that a way for the real Covid conspiracists to obfuscate the actual existence of the conspiracy is to feed half-truths through known wacko conspiracy theorists.

I'm sure that quick google search steered you in the right direction and provided everything you needed to know.
What were your sources?

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Originally posted by Jupiter:

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
I thought I was clear enough on the basis of my suppositions - the admission that his findings and “indictments” were forwarded to all elected officials and every state AG and no charges based on his report has been filed to date. No elected official or state AG even those who were critical of how Covid was handled? Which is more rational to believe - that every elected official and state AG is controlled by the Covid conspiracists or is the report just not credible?

You honestly have more faith in our state elected officials than I do.

It's a matter of statistics and logical reasoning. Are you now claiming Dr. David E. Matin is so dumb or so unlucky that one hundred percent of the elected officials he sent his report to are controlled or deluded by the people behind Covid as well as every state AG? That's a one hundred percent according to his claim.

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:

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Originally posted by Jupiter:
At the start of the COVID plandemic, Dr. David Martin , Dr. Judy Mikovits and others exposed the corruption of Fauchi and others. It took months and in many cases years for some people to take notice. Anyone who has watched his videos knows he is talking about medical and National sovereignty that is under attack across the globe.
Suggesting Martin is a member of the sovereign citizen movement is laughable.

Before you laugh, let’s look at this logically, shall we?

I didn’t connect Martin with the sovereign citizen movement, my ding on him is, as what I said, his admission that every elected official and state AG he sent his report to had not acted on it.

The sovereignty connection logically would be with Sasha Stone and while he may not be associated with the American sovereignty movement, a quick google search shows he’s on the same level as they are. Which supports one of my suppositions that a way for the real Covid conspiracists to obfuscate the actual existence of the conspiracy is to feed half-truths through known wacko conspiracy theorists.

I'm sure that quick google search steered you in the right direction and provided everything you needed to know.
What were your sources?

So, now, we are, at least, talking about Sacha Stone and not Dr. Martin, right? Because, remember, you incorrectly thought I was connecting Dr. Martin with the sovereignty movement and not the "World Health Sovereignty Summit" podcast which would be the responsibility of the host, Sacha Stone.

If you're going to make an assertion about the credibility of Sacha, then it's up to you to support your assertion. It's not my responsibility to prove or disprove his credibility that you apparently are asserting. This is a matter of logic: Burden of Prood

I'm willing to listen to your argument and am open. Please enlighten me.

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Originally posted by Jupiter:

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:

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Originally posted by Jupiter:
At the start of the COVID plandemic, Dr. David Martin , Dr. Judy Mikovits and others exposed the corruption of Fauchi and others. It took months and in many cases years for some people to take notice. Anyone who has watched his videos knows he is talking about medical and National sovereignty that is under attack across the globe.
Suggesting Martin is a member of the sovereign citizen movement is laughable.

Before you laugh, let’s look at this logically, shall we?

I didn’t connect Martin with the sovereign citizen movement, my ding on him is, as what I said, his admission that every elected official and state AG he sent his report to had not acted on it.

The sovereignty connection logically would be with Sasha Stone and while he may not be associated with the American sovereignty movement, a quick google search shows he’s on the same level as they are. Which supports one of my suppositions that a way for the real Covid conspiracists to obfuscate the actual existence of the conspiracy is to feed half-truths through known wacko conspiracy theorists.

I'm sure that quick google search steered you in the right direction and provided everything you needed to know.
What were your sources?

So, now, we are, at least, talking about Sacha Stone and not Dr. Martin, right? Because, remember, you incorrectly thought I was connecting Dr. Martin with the sovereignty movement and not the "World Health Sovereignty Summit" podcast which would be the responsibility of the host, Sacha Stone.

If you're going to make an assertion about the credibility of Sacha, then it's up to you to support your assertion. It's not my responsibility to prove or disprove his credibility that you apparently are asserting. This is a matter of logic: Burden of Prood

I'm willing to listen to your argument and am open. Please enlighten me.

Rey HRH,

You said you didn't know who these two men were but you did a quick google search.

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
The sovereignty connection logically would be with Sasha Stone and while he may not be associated with the American sovereignty movement, a quick google search shows he’s on the same level as they are.

After you didn't find a connection to the Sovereign Citizen movement you said the google search shows he's on the same level as they are. I'm simply asking you to provide links to your google searches.


As a courtesy, I will provide you with a link to my first introduction to Dr. David Martin. It's on Rumble. One of the few places where the video stays up for any length of time. You're more than welcome to criticize it. Just tell us what you disagree with and back up it will sources. I'll keep an open mind. This is from 2020 by the way.

https://rumble.com/v1mxliy-pla...ull-documentary.html

Trying to "enlighten" those that perpetually are in the dark is a waste of time and effort. Just leave them there.

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Excellent video how Covid was used to steal the election

I don't know much about the people in the video referenced, but the second one, linked just above does a pretty good job showing the fear sown, and surrender of liberty:

PLANDEMIC 2: INDOCTORNATION full documentary
https://rumble.com/v1mxliy-pla...ull-documentary.html

BUT, there is no doubt in my mind that Covid was used to help the Democrats steal the election. It's all documented, step by step, both in the Trump thread and in the main Covid thread.

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Trying to "enlighten" those that perpetually are in the dark is a waste of time and effort. Just leave them there.

I'm sure with that kind of attitude, you must be winning people by the thousands toward your point of view.

From where I sit, you just happen to be on the flip side of the same coin where the other side are the people who think people who question masks and vaccines are just plain dumb. You not offering any actual argument indicates to me it was just a random act or plain dumb luck that your coin landed on that particular side of the issue.

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BUT, there is no doubt in my mind that Covid was used to help the Democrats steal the election. It's all documented, step by step, both in the Trump thread and in the main Covid thread.

100%, absolutely. No question.

Covid was weaponized early in the game to illegally change state voting laws, to force mass unsolicited mail in ballots, to close walk-in polls, to extend voting beyond the final hour, to extend the count over a week, to force ballot harvesting, etc. etc. etc.

It is plain as a comic book, every single step by Democrats during Covid had one goal in mind: to deny Trump the presidency.

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Originally posted by Jupiter:

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:

So, now, we are, at least, talking about Sacha Stone and not Dr. Martin, right? Because, remember, you incorrectly thought I was connecting Dr. Martin with the sovereignty movement and not the "World Health Sovereignty Summit" podcast which would be the responsibility of the host, Sacha Stone.

If you're going to make an assertion about the credibility of Sacha, then it's up to you to support your assertion. It's not my responsibility to prove or disprove his credibility that you apparently are asserting. This is a matter of logic: Burden of Prood

I'm willing to listen to your argument and am open. Please enlighten me.

Rey HRH,

You said you didn't know who these two men were but you did a quick google search.

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
The sovereignty connection logically would be with Sasha Stone and while he may not be associated with the American sovereignty movement, a quick google search shows he’s on the same level as they are.

After you didn't find a connection to the Sovereign Citizen movement you said the google search shows he's on the same level as they are. I'm simply asking you to provide links to your google searches.


As a courtesy, I will provide you with a link to my first introduction to Dr. David Martin. It's on Rumble. One of the few places where the video stays up for any length of time. You're more than welcome to criticize it. Just tell us what you disagree with and back up it will sources. I'll keep an open mind. This is from 2020 by the way.

https://rumble.com/v1mxliy-pla...ull-documentary.html

First, I watched that whole one hour and fifteen minutes. Second, I'll note it's a wide ranging video spanning several topics but I have no criticism on any material presented in the video.

Now, for my points:

1. Please help me understand. See at the top of this post where I left my quote confirming that it is Sacha Stone that I initially connected with the sovereignty movement and not Dr. Martin, right? So why did you post the video that you connect with Dr. Martin and not a video to Sasha Stone? You want links to my google searches? And how will that advance the discussion? But, if you want it, here it is. Knock yourself out. Who is Sacha Stone? But I imagine that if you know Sacha Stone then you would know what his critics may say about him.

2. You say the video is your first introduction to Dr. David Martin. But other than the acknowledgment in the description that says "Guided by the work of Dr. David E. Martin," I don't see anything in the video referring to Dr. Martin. Was he in the video and I did not catch that? I note that the acknowledgment doesn't even say "Guided by Dr. David E. Martin" but "by the work of Dr. David E. Martin." So that indicates to me that Dr. Martin may not have any direct involvement in the video but, perhaps, his work inspired the video. You tell me to tell you what I disagree with and as I started with, I have no criticism on any material presented. But, then again, how could I have known that the material came from Dr. Martin?

3. And, again, you say that if I disagree with something, I have to back it up with sources. If I did, I certainly would have laid out an argument as to why I disagree. But, as I pointed out which you apparently did not bother reading, the burden of proof lies with the person making the assertion to support the assertion being made and not on the person disagreeing with the assertion to disprove the assertion.

4. I'll repeat for the third time what my criticism is of Dr. Martin with regards to the discussion in the first video: he said he sent his findings and indictments to all elected officials and state AG and that no action has been taken by any of the people he sent his report to. I'll have to assume that either every elected official that got his report and every state AG is either incompetent or corrupt OR that his report is not actually actionable. As soon as some elected official or state AG take action and cites his report, do let me know. I can go so far to believe 97% of all elected officials and state AG are either incompetent or corrupt, but even statistics allow for 3% to be outliers. So the absence of anyone taking up his cause is a big red flag for me. I just have to act on the probabilities.

This becomes more of a philosophical question. "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" "If a conspiracy is behind Covid and no one is around to do something about it, is there a conspiracy?" I can be certain you're pissing on my legs but unless I can do something about it or prove it to someone who can do something about it, I am stuck with the reality forced upon me - that it's raining.

Which circles back to what I was saying about one possible strategy by conspiracists to cover up their actual conspiracy is by feeding half-truths about the conspiracy through marginalized venues to obfuscate the existence of the actual conspiracy. So, tell me, can Sacha Stone do something about the conspiracy? Is there anyone who listens to Sacha Stone do something about the conspiracy? Or is Sacha Stone marginalized such that any information coming through him is suspect thus fulfilling the goal of the conspiracists - making sure half-truths about the conspiracy go through marginalized venues thus creating doubt on the existence of the conspiracy?

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Originally posted by chellim1:
BUT, there is no doubt in my mind that Covid was used to help the Democrats steal the election. It's all documented, step by step, both in the Trump thread and in the main Covid thread.

100%, absolutely. No question.

Covid was weaponized early in the game to illegally change state voting laws, to force mass unsolicited mail in ballots, to close walk-in polls, to extend voting beyond the final hour, to extend the count over a week, to force ballot harvesting, etc. etc. etc.

It is plain as a comic book, every single step by Democrats during Covid had one goal in mind: to deny Trump the presidency.

Here is the full 43 minute David Martin video where they go into more detail about what the DEMS have done, the goals of the WHO, and what they are going to try do in the near future. I liked the 10 minute video, but the longer one is even better.
https://rumble.com/v3u2y91-dr....-in-just-45-min.html