BATF: 2630 special agents

https://www.atf.gov/resource-c...-staffing-and-budget

From fbi.gov:

The FBI employs 35,000 people, including special agents and support professionals such as intelligence analysts, language specialists, scientists, and information technology specialists.

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Originally posted by bald1:
BATF: 2630 special agents

https://www.atf.gov/resource-c...-staffing-and-budget

Actual number is about 2200-2300 at any given time with the retirement and recruiting cycles, but close enough.

Feebs?

(I know you guys see where this is going)

Last I heard there were about 13,000 FBI agents.

Do you approve of Gun Registration?"

Every one of them answered Yes, with most all stating they thought it would help prevent crime. Registration has nothing to do with reducing crime, as we know, but I was just amazed at how clueless those citizens were about the true nature of the gun registration.
^^^^^

These surveys are rather meaningless. Kimmel regularly interviews Americans on the street with absurd questions and gets predictable results. Some years back interviewers went to the Harvard campus and asked students and a few Professors to sign a petiition to outlaw the practice of Canadian Eskimos placing their elderly out iceflows when they had a terminal illness.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
Last I heard there were about 13,000 FBI agents.

That's really close too. So, nationwide between the two, you probably have 15,000 agents.

Most have zero tactical experience. So, out of a less than 16k agents, you probably are really down 3-4k that go do the door to door work of confiscation. Divide that number by the number of gun owners alone in VIRGINIA, and you see that problem.

The problem with any of the confiscation scenarios is manpower. Even with the Feds. And those numbers in any given agency are merely WHO IS CAPABLE, not who will actually stand up and wholesale go door to door. And that isn't counting when the shooting actually starts.

Logistics make this idea nearly impossible.

I’ve always been of the opinion that if it ever did actually come to confiscation, the states and feds will find the manpower. Numbers that we currently have access to really don’t mean much. I personally think they’ll try taxing the shit out of all things gun related (ownership, ammo, you name it) to try to get people to fold before it ever comes to confiscation.

This is why they want registration so badly.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
I’ve always been of the opinion that if it ever did actually come to confiscation, the states and feds will find the manpower. Numbers that we currently have access to really don’t mean much. I personally think they’ll try taxing the shit out of all things gun related (ownership, ammo, you name it) to try to get people to fold before it ever comes to confiscation.

Ok, where do those numbers come from? Many always like to claim that the locals would be a party to it. We've learned in the last dozen years that in free states that isn't so. The military? We've pretty much learned that isn't so either. So, the feds? The numbers just don't exist.

That doesn't even account for the fact that Suzy Virtue-Signaler has the stomach for this only in theory. We can't even have the stomach for it when we are killing people in war overseas, let alone Joe Sixpack down the block over a few 30 round magazines.

I won't say that it can't happen, but there is going to have to be a major shift in many things for it to happen, because the logistics right now don't exist to complete the mission without massive casualties on both sides in the early days. And that doesn't account for the fact that in Red states they'll never get the warrants to search. If they go anyways, well, we've got bigger fish to fry then, don't we?

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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
I’ve always been of the opinion that if it ever did actually come to confiscation, the states and feds will find the manpower. Numbers that we currently have access to really don’t mean much. I personally think they’ll try taxing the shit out of all things gun related (ownership, ammo, you name it) to try to get people to fold before it ever comes to confiscation.

Ok, where do those numbers come from? Many always like to claim that the locals would be a party to it. We've learned in the last dozen years that in free states that isn't so. The military? We've pretty much learned that isn't so either. So, the feds? The numbers just don't exist.

That doesn't even account for the fact that Suzy Virtue-Signaler has the stomach for this only in theory. We can't even have the stomach for it when we are killing people in war overseas, let alone Joe Sixpack down the block over a few 30 round magazines.

I won't say that it can't happen, but there is going to have to be a major shift in many things for it to happen, because the logistics right now don't exist to complete the mission without massive casualties on both sides.

Jljones knows more than most about the manpower the government has,and he is right. The government enforces law through fear,not strength.Prosecute and publicize a few and the majority will comply. What happens when the majority says screw you and doesn't comply?

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Originally posted by wcb6092:

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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
I’ve always been of the opinion that if it ever did actually come to confiscation, the states and feds will find the manpower. Numbers that we currently have access to really don’t mean much. I personally think they’ll try taxing the shit out of all things gun related (ownership, ammo, you name it) to try to get people to fold before it ever comes to confiscation.

Ok, where do those numbers come from? Many always like to claim that the locals would be a party to it. We've learned in the last dozen years that in free states that isn't so. The military? We've pretty much learned that isn't so either. So, the feds? The numbers just don't exist.

That doesn't even account for the fact that Suzy Virtue-Signaler has the stomach for this only in theory. We can't even have the stomach for it when we are killing people in war overseas, let alone Joe Sixpack down the block over a few 30 round magazines.

I won't say that it can't happen, but there is going to have to be a major shift in many things for it to happen, because the logistics right now don't exist to complete the mission without massive casualties on both sides.

Jljones knows more than most about the manpower the government has,and he is right. The government enforces law through fear,not strength.Prosecute and publicize a few and the majority will comply. What happens when the majority says screw you and doesn't comply?

You have Virginia, my friend. And the world is watching.

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Originally posted by jljones:
Ok, where do those numbers come from? Many always like to claim that the locals would be a party to it. We've learned in the last dozen years that in free states that isn't so. The military? We've pretty much learned that isn't so either. So, the feds? The numbers just don't exist.

That doesn't even account for the fact that Suzy Virtue-Signaler has the stomach for this only in theory. We can't even have the stomach for it when we are killing people in war overseas, let alone Joe Sixpack down the block over a few 30 round magazines.

I won't say that it can't happen, but there is going to have to be a major shift in many things for it to happen, because the logistics right now don't exist to complete the mission without massive casualties on both sides in the early days. And that doesn't account for the fact that in Red states they'll never get the warrants to search. If they go anyways, well, we've got bigger fish to fry then, don't we?

You’d be surprised how many locals you will be able to hire if we have another Great Recession and they decide to confiscate. Obviously they won’t be the people we see here at sig forum, but give people a paycheck when jobs are scarce and their family needs food and you’ll get workers.

Hell, there were laid-off executives applying for gas station jobs from 2008-2010.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:

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Originally posted by jljones:
Ok, where do those numbers come from? Many always like to claim that the locals would be a party to it. We've learned in the last dozen years that in free states that isn't so. The military? We've pretty much learned that isn't so either. So, the feds? The numbers just don't exist.

That doesn't even account for the fact that Suzy Virtue-Signaler has the stomach for this only in theory. We can't even have the stomach for it when we are killing people in war overseas, let alone Joe Sixpack down the block over a few 30 round magazines.

I won't say that it can't happen, but there is going to have to be a major shift in many things for it to happen, because the logistics right now don't exist to complete the mission without massive casualties on both sides in the early days. And that doesn't account for the fact that in Red states they'll never get the warrants to search. If they go anyways, well, we've got bigger fish to fry then, don't we?

You’d be surprised how many locals you will be able to hire if we have another Great Recession and they decide to confiscate. Obviously they won’t be the people we see here at sig forum, but give people a paycheck when jobs are scarce and their family needs food and you’ll get workers.

Hell, there were laid-off executives applying for gas station jobs from 2008-2010.

If they ever were to nationalize state and local police (think TSA)......to me that is the only way that they could POSSIBLY overcome the logistics issues.

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Originally posted by gearhounds:

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Democrats want this war. Someone should tell them they should be careful what they wish for.

This is the statement that the democRATS should seriously consider and take to heart.

I’ve had this very conversation with a few people I know who are left to extremely left leaning.

I’ve explained to them in simple terms that they will get a well deserved spanking that a petulant child deserves. And that they will have zero recourse when it happens.

It’s not something that I wish to happen.
Big picture- it will be extremely ugly and take tolls on both sides.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:

You’d be surprised how many locals you will be able to hire if we have another Great Recession and they decide to confiscate. Obviously they won’t be the people we see here at sig forum, but give people a paycheck when jobs are scarce and their family needs food and you’ll get workers.

If it followed the pattern of virtually every armed conflict in history, those locals would be branded as collaborators and they and their families would be in grave danger every minute of every day. The paycheck might not be all that attractive.

A novel by Kurt Schlichter titled
“Peoples Republic” gives a fictional account of this very subject in a truly sobering read.

A former Charlottesville resident.

Even if a federal law was passed and the Pres at the time ordered mass confiscation and all the Feds showed up and they quickly hired more...it still wont matter once bullets start flying

The next problem that they couldn’t surmount is organizational. Look how hard COIN was in Iraq for well over 100k US military trained, equipped and organized for it in a backward country the size of CA.

Some feds and some green civilian hires? Please, this is the work of IN and Armor brigade combat teams with all of their staff operational planning, logistics and battle tracking experience never mind on the execution side.

The feds can kinda handle small emergencies or sieges ( or maybe not, see ruby ridge/waco) but could never deploy and execute a mass confiscation with resistance in a country the size of the US with 440mil guns and hundreds of thousands of resistors.

They wouldn’t know a LOC from a Glock.

Think about the principle of war: “mass” bringing your force to bear on the enemy at a place or time matching your strength to their weakness. Raiding houses sure, until those 22k that showed up in VA hit their local HQ

It aint gonna happen, but we have to do all we can to fight and/or repeal the laws they would pass. If they outlaw significant types of firearms, no need to confiscate, just wait 20-30 years.

I think this would be the end of the Republic. There's no getting around the original intent of the Second Amendment. If that goes, then we're no longer a nation of laws.

Come on, do these people really want millions of individuals classified as criminals? Do they really want us to be thinking as such?

V.

I have long felt and believed in the what I call the "pendulum theory." As we continue as a nation, the pendulum swings from extreme Left to extreme Right.

Currently, the pendulum is swinging/has swung to the extreme Left.

It's my job to push it back, and swing it to the middle. I don't care to see it swing to the extreme Right, either, but the first order of business is to reverse its direction.

My main issue with a typical leftist/democrat on the issue of civil war or revolution, is that in both cases they believe someone else will fight it for them.

The cries of "resistance" and other shit from the left are hollow. By their very nature they won't take up arms themselves, so any of them crowing for revolution or civil war can be disregarded as fodder should such actually occur.

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Come on, do these people really want millions of individuals classified as criminals? Do they really want us to be thinking as such?

V.

I feel this bears repeating.