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BATFE rules on Forced Reset Triggers (FRT)

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October 01, 2022, 11:15 AM
Balzé Halzé
BATFE rules on Forced Reset Triggers (FRT)
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Originally posted by harleyman1974:
My buddy had one. It was fun to shoot but didn't run real well until he upgraded his buffer tube. It was fun to shoot, but I like the control better with the Franklin, which is what I decide on. The select fire is a bonus.



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October 01, 2022, 11:23 AM
thumperfbc
quote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
quote:
Originally posted by harleyman1974:
My buddy had one. It was fun to shoot but didn't run real well until he upgraded his buffer tube. It was fun to shoot, but I like the control better with the Franklin, which is what I decide on. The select fire is a bonus.



Nope. He's not kidding. The select fire really is just a bonus.

Seems legit. And familiar.



Freaking kidding me?

October 01, 2022, 11:30 AM
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October 01, 2022, 11:41 AM
BBMW
The ATF can do whatever it wants until someone hauls them into court and the court rules against them. Do we know if anyone has challenged this rule yet?

Also, the companies making and selling these trigger are not exactly huge, deep pocketed corporations. Can they fund a suit against the Federal Government, especially if there major product is illegal to sell until/if the court reverses the ruling?
January 31, 2024, 07:33 PM
gw3971


Rarebreed trigger expects a ruling in the next couple of weeks. They also teased a select fire trigger for the AR15 and MP5. Interesting.
July 28, 2024, 09:41 AM
rkentm
Interesting development. Wonder what comes next?

“July 24 (Reuters) - A federal judge in Texas has overturned a Biden administration ban on forced reset triggers, after-market accessories that allow AR-15 type rifles to be fired more rapidly by automatically returning the trigger to its starting position after it is pulled.
U.S. District Judge Reed O'Connor in Fort Worth, Texas on Tuesday ruled that, opens new tab the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) had gone beyond its legal authority in 2021 when it decided to classify forced reset trigger-equipped guns as machine guns, which are illegal with very narrow exceptions. He granted judgment without trial to the National Association for Gun Rights, a national gun rights group that had challenged the ban.”

https://www.reuters.com/legal/...gger-ban-2024-07-24/


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July 28, 2024, 06:15 PM
slosig
Don’t have any interest in owning one of these, but happy to see Judge O’Connor slap down the BATFE. It would be really nice if the government would focus on enforcing existing laws against criminal conduct rather than spending so much time and energy trying to criminalize products.
July 28, 2024, 06:20 PM
12131
^^^^ But it's much safer to sit around in their cushy office demonizing inanimate objects than to actually do any real work that requires going after real criminals.


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July 28, 2024, 10:52 PM
rkentm
Totally agree. Just wonder if this is a done deal, or if there will be more from the rocket surgeons at ATF over this.

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Originally posted by slosig:
Don’t have any interest in owning one of these, but happy to see Judge O’Connor slap down the BATFE. It would be really nice if the government would focus on enforcing existing laws against criminal conduct rather than spending so much time and energy trying to criminalize products.



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July 28, 2024, 11:09 PM
12131
quote:
Originally posted by rkentm:
Just wonder if this is a done deal, or if there will be more from the rocket surgeons at ATF over this.

The judge has ruled the FATF has no legal authority to classify FRT-equipped guns as machine guns. This commie administration can choose to appeal the ruling, but the "rocket surgeons at ATF" can't overrule the judge. They can no longer prosecute those who own the trigger.


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May 16, 2025, 03:52 PM
gw3971
https://youtu.be/soHuCIq6Gq0?si=FhqxEkAEdWaOV_lA

Rare breed is celebrating and the owner is reporting complete court victory over the ATF. He promises the manufacturing will began ASAP. Has some nice comments about the Trump administration and says that is who made this possible.

He teased an mp5 frt years ago...
May 16, 2025, 04:31 PM
P220 Smudge
Excellent news!


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May 16, 2025, 04:34 PM
parabellum
gw3971 : The bumping of older threads
May 16, 2025, 05:05 PM
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May 16, 2025, 05:15 PM
jljones
quote:
Originally posted by gw3971:

Rare breed is celebrating and the owner is reporting complete court victory over the ATF. He promises the manufacturing will began ASAP. Has some nice comments about the Trump administration and says that is who made this possible.


At what cost though? I have friends that are a largish mom and pop shop. They got their license revoked for having six errors during a year that they sold 14000 guns. When the IOI testified before the court, he stated none of the errors were “willful”. The judge tossed ATFs case for lack of grounds after a year of battling the ATF and almost $200,000 in attorneys fees. ATF’s position was “my bad”.

I want to see these businesses made whole.




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May 16, 2025, 08:26 PM
400m
^^^^
It’s disgusting what agencies can and do to citizens. Covering that businesses legal fees should be law.

“If you can’t win on principle, bankrupt them”! SMH…Tell me that’s justice.
May 16, 2025, 10:54 PM
KMitch200
quote:
Originally posted by parabellum:
harleyman, speak up

Well we’re coming up on 3 years without another post from Harlyman.
I doubt he’s still current…but probably still lurking. His link shows “solvent” traps made out of titanium or stainless steel. I’m sure they’re legit!! Roll Eyes


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May 17, 2025, 10:44 AM
gw3971
quote:
Originally posted by jljones:
quote:
Originally posted by gw3971:

Rare breed is celebrating and the owner is reporting complete court victory over the ATF. He promises the manufacturing will began ASAP. Has some nice comments about the Trump administration and says that is who made this possible.


At what cost though? I have friends that are a largish mom and pop shop. They got their license revoked for having six errors during a year that they sold 14000 guns. When the IOI testified before the court, he stated none of the errors were “willful”. The judge tossed ATFs case for lack of grounds after a year of battling the ATF and almost $200,000 in attorneys fees. ATF’s position was “my bad”.

I want to see these businesses made whole.


Agreed. I cant help with his court fees but I will buy a new trigger to support them before the dems and rinos come and ban them.
May 17, 2025, 11:28 AM
12131
quote:
Originally posted by KMitch200:
I doubt he’s still current…but probably still lurking…

Won’t be able to scam anyone, though, since he can’t access members’ Profile pages.


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May 17, 2025, 01:25 PM
Hamden106
A semi anti friend said that frt are for "dick growing mag dumpers". I'm glad I am not that friendly with him



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