Net result: Universities with students that are not qualified to be there and thus will have a higher probability of failure, denying those slots to to students that would be more likely to graduate and earned it to begin with.

Great idea

My children attend a very diverse school however it ranks as one of the top middle schools in the state a GA. The majority of the kids come from middle class backgrounds. As part of an program associated with Duke university select kids take the SAT.

Four 7th graders were honored at a celebration for all 'A' students. They scored higher than 90% of college bound students. A white girl, Indian girl, black boy, and Asian boy.

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Originally posted by Russ59:

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Originally posted by RichardC:
adversity score = Mom & Dad didn't pay the vigorish.

So, does it go something like this?

Single parent household - 10 points
Non-white - 20 points
Adjusted gross income of parent(s)/guardian below $50K - 15 points
Regular user of public transportation - 10 points
Free breakfast and lunch at school - 15 points

How will Advanced Placement students ever compete with this type of scheme?

Probably not far off. I know they will make a Leftist mess of it, but I can see what the well intentioned boobs were aiming for:
Broken homes, crime-ridden neighborhood, unsafe classrooms, empty bellies are all understandable reasons why someone doesn't ace a test. Much better than just adding or subtracting points for being one race or the other.
Giving Colin Powell's kids points for being Black is stupid, because they come from a strong home with plenty of money. Giving points to a smart Black or White or Asian kid who grew up in foster homes could be smart.

Like I said, they will F it up but if they are trying to assess future potential instead of past performance, looking at life circumstances would be a good idea.

Bruce

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The score takes into account information from the student's background, but it does not include race.

Yet the image attached to the article suggests this score is focused to a particular group. the policy is insulting.

It said the score is based on where they live and the crime rate... last time I checked, yes it was a very long time ago, you had to give the college your address when filling out your application.. in fact I think it is on the SAT application... how hard is it for anyone including the admissions folks at the college to look up the crime rate in and around that address.... somebody is making money off of creating something that already exist.

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Originally posted by MNSIG:
SAT just dug their own grave. Not much point in having a non-standardized standardized test, now is there?

You would think so, but, I see they will be just fine. Half of the country, maybe more, are into this social justice garbage. It stands to reason that more than half of the college and universities are also into this shit.

I guess “professional educators” are not teaching Kurt Vonnegut anymore. They really should re-read “Harrison Bergeron” before the Handicapper General is endowed with too much power.

ESL - English as second language

Yeah, my oldest son, who will take the SAT for the first time in August, was like “what is this bullshit”.

Y'all gotta pay for dat white privilege.

Personally, even if all the socio-economic indices were valid, I think this 'score' is trying to put too much into one number.

There is some value in getting a sense of the individual behind the SAT score, to put it in context. Hypothetical, and very ahistorical example, to illustrate the point.

Imagine there had been an SAT in 1827, and imagine Abraham Lincoln were applying to, say, Harvard at 18. And imagine Abe Lincoln and someone from a prep school in the East got the same scores.

If Abraham Lincoln, with his one-room school and coal-on-shovel background, scored the same as someone from a boarding prep school who had had years of expert teaching, would there not be merit in thinking that maybe Abe was a better candidate than the other applicant?

That said, getting a sense of the person behind the scores is the entire point of the rest of the college application, isn't it? If adversity-overcoming is so crucial, they can always add an essay question asking about obstacles applicants have had to overcome.

So, IMO, this score is worthless and unnecessary, even though there is value in assessing the context of the SAT score.

Another point. Measurements change behavior. When people figure out what the scores are, and how to maximize them, this will be gamed - parents 'divorcing' right before the form submission date, e.g., or changing schools not for the quality of the instruction but rather the opposite, because the 'adversity score' of the poor school might amplify precious junior's grade point average.

PC horseshit. If they want to gather stats for research, fine. This should not be used for any step of the college admission process.

I took both the ACT and SAT, but only the ACT counted.

And what's to prevent me from buying a shithole apartment in the ghetto as a place for my daughter who is 17 and "living on her own" to fill out her college applications at?

You know broken home and all that shit.

What's it gonna cost me $35,000 shit she'll make that up in grants while I get a free rental unit.

This system is totally Fucked. So if you have an intact family and spend the money to buy a home with a good school, your kids get penalized because its been too easy for them.

Education as a system is being flushed. The pedigree universities are going to learn a hard lesson when Goldman Sachs stops hiring their asshole elite kids who know nothing but "went to the right schools".

The economy of make money / lose money of a business that relies on named universities to weed out the chaff for them, will not allow the losses to continue. They will look elsewhere for talent and they will find it.

Enough is enough. Short of armed revolution, what will bring back self reliance, personal responsibility, etc?

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Originally posted by recoatlift:
Short of armed revolution, what will bring back self reliance, personal responsibility, etc?

Drop a note saying you’re a poor immigrant transgender, BAM automatically admitted.

On further reading, it's still stupid, but not QUITE as stupid as it might seem at first.

The "adversity score" is a separate item provided alongside the actual exam score, it doesn't modify the exam score.

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Originally posted by recoatlift:
Short of armed revolution, what will bring back self reliance, personal responsibility, etc?

Ya know para, I’m looking forward to the time your comet enters our gravitational pull, I used to be afraid.

I made reference to this segment on Tucker Carlson’s show; it’s posted now.

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Originally posted by GA Gator:
My children attend a very diverse school however it ranks as one of the top middle schools in the state a GA. The majority of the kids come from middle class backgrounds. As part of an program associated with Duke university select kids take the SAT.

Four 7th graders were honored at a celebration for all 'A' students. They scored higher than 90% of college bound students. A white girl, Indian girl, black boy, and Asian boy.

That program is pretty widespread (the Duke one); my daughter tested through them also. However, she took the ACT, not the SAT. Interestante...