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I worked with horses, or horseback, my entire adult life. I truly love horses, but I also love the open spaces of the West and the emotionalism surrounding wild horse management threatens the horses, the health of rangelands, and the budgets of land management agencies, and the problem of the overpopulation of wild horses is not going to go away.
My education and profession for most of my career was Rangeland Management and Ecology. I spent a lot of my life doing my best to provide good stewardship of the public rangelands and forests in my charge. So little public land management is scientific; politics and the judiciary screams direction from Washington and federal courts. I have no hope that the issue of overpopulation of wild horses will be addressed with any level of sanity. Yes, I support allowing for the slaughter (simply meaning killing and processing the animal) as a more humane outcome than warehousing horses in BLM “adoption” facilities. Lot’s more to this story here, including a pretty balanced presentation, and links to other features. Deseret News—Crisis in the West _______________________________________________________ despite them | ||
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Horse meat is supposed to be pretty good and very lean- I think the American aversion to eating them is due to their close ties with us settling most of the country. “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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I've had horse meat in France. it is tasty. had horse meat sushi as well in Tokyo. they are beautiful animals- yes, but so are elk, deer, moose(ok- not really) and any other game animal. There is something good and motherly about Washington, the grand old benevolent National Asylum for the helpless. - Mark Twain The Gilded Age #CNNblackmail #CNNmemewar | |||
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This is no different than the animal rights nazis forcing the shutdown of American slaughterhouses a number of years ago to "save the horse". All it did was result in many horses starving to death with owners who could no longer afford to feed and care for them, or them being shipped off to Mexican slaughterhouses which are far less humane than anything regulated in the US. I spent my youth around horses and will always have a special place in my heart for them. That said, there is only so much habitat available for wild horses, and if they're not properly managed, much like wolves, deer, and other species, they'll destroy not only the habitat, but themselves as well. The choice is simple. Either have a well managed, healthy, wild horse population and habitat, or let them continue to overpopulate and both the habitat and the horses will suffer for it. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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Perhaps someone can explain why this is a crisis, but I’m not getting it. While there are no accurate surveys, the majority of estimates as to the number of bison living in the West prior to its settlement range from millions to tens of millions. Not sure, but I suspect the typical bison eats more than the typical horse, so why is the land in such trouble from 90,000 horses when it was able to survive many millions of bison for years until they were hunted to near extinction? To state a cliche, this does not compute. | |||
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Let’s start here. Did you read ANY of the linked material? _______________________________________________________ despite them | |||
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Sounds like the western states better get their shit together. | |||
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California will need most of those horses for transportation soon. | |||
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When a thing is funny, search it carefully for a hidden truth. - George Bernard Shaw | |||
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Well if wishes were horses we'd all be eating steak. | |||
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Too old to run, too mean to quit! |
this is true! And I can just hear the screams of outrage if/when the culling begins! What is the difference between culling wild pigs and wild horses? Simply put, emotion. Elk There has never been an occasion where a people gave up their weapons in the interest of peace that didn't end in their massacre. (Louis L'Amour) "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. " -Thomas Jefferson "America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." Alexis de Tocqueville FBHO!!! The Idaho Elk Hunter | |||
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Too old to run, too mean to quit! |
Well, I guess we could wait until a plague comes around and kills them by the 1000s, and a lot less kindly than controlled harvesting. I love horses. Rode a lot when I was younger. But, it seems to me that a quick death is preferable to slow agonizing death from disease or starvation. Make these "animal rights knotheads go out there and witness and help clean up what is left of the diseased and rotten carcasses. Maybe we can draft them to go out and help clean up the dead horses Elk There has never been an occasion where a people gave up their weapons in the interest of peace that didn't end in their massacre. (Louis L'Amour) "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. " -Thomas Jefferson "America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." Alexis de Tocqueville FBHO!!! The Idaho Elk Hunter | |||
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And the possibility of equine specific diseases mutating spreading to domestic horses. "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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Too old to run, too mean to quit! |
Don't know that diseases would have to mutate to spread from the wild horses to farm animals, pet horses, etc. Someone mentioned the buffalo. Well for starters those herds never quit moving (accept to sleep). They ate as they moved across the prairies. Anyone else seen the films of buffalo being harvested in recent years? It happens when the count exceeds the range's ability to support them. Elk There has never been an occasion where a people gave up their weapons in the interest of peace that didn't end in their massacre. (Louis L'Amour) "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. " -Thomas Jefferson "America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." Alexis de Tocqueville FBHO!!! The Idaho Elk Hunter | |||
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Could it have anything to do with the development of civilization in the former territory of the buffalo? Fences, cities, suburbs, golf courses, farms, etc...there is very little unfenced open space left, and what’s left is the less desirable, poorly watered country that can’t support a concentration of animals unable to move freely in search of good grazing and water. | |||
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Good response Arfmel, an estimate of the number of bison that once roamed North America has been put at 60,000,000 by more than one source. Using 1800 as a reference point, bison range covered somewhere between 2/3 - 3/4 of the United States, extended up through the prairie provinces of Canada and into eastern Alaska. In the south, the bison range extended into northern Mexico. There were actually two species: the plains bison and the woodlands bison. Over the course of a year the great herds traveled hundreds of miles with the changing seasons, and as Arfmel stated, chasing grass and water. Unlike permitted livestock, these wild horses range across a limited area—24/7, 365 days/year. _______________________________________________________ despite them | |||
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If there is no law against hunting them, then have at it or round them up and sell them to a country that wants them...China for example. ---------- “Nobody can ever take your integrity away from you. Only you can give up your integrity.” H. Norman Schwarzkopf | |||
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Yeah, there are laws. Lots of laws. _______________________________________________________ despite them | |||
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