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Arizona Department of Child Safety workers fired for wearing ‘professional kidnapper’ shirts

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July 25, 2020, 02:08 PM
flesheatingvirus
Arizona Department of Child Safety workers fired for wearing ‘professional kidnapper’ shirts
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Originally posted by 12131:
If you want to be cute and funny, do it off hours. Totally stupid thing to do on the clock. How would you like it, if your wife's gynecologist walks in the room wearing a T-shirt that reads "Professional molester"?


Except that just isn’t funny. The shirts were. Perhaps if an OBGYN wore a shirt advertising for a fake spelunking tour guide company or dehumidifier manufacturer, that would be funny.

Firing that many folks in such a position is a net loss for society. The most these folks should have gotten is a slight reprimand for doing this on the clock or while wearing badges.


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July 25, 2020, 02:16 PM
ZSMICHAEL
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Except that just isn’t funny. The shirts were

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I think the Tshirts were in poor taste and reflected poor judgement. Removing children from a home is serious business. Plus a good bit of the time they get it wrong. They can be replaced with people who utilize better decision making.
July 26, 2020, 01:53 PM
flesheatingvirus
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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
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Except that just isn’t funny. The shirts were

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I think the Tshirts were in poor taste and reflected poor judgement. Removing children from a home is serious business. Plus a good bit of the time they get it wrong. They can be replaced with people who utilize better decision making.


I have known many folks in this field for many years. Such humor helps with some of the horrible things they deal with on a daily basis. Some folks just won’t get it. Plus, they just don’t have replacements lined up in a basket. This will take years to get them back up to capacity. But, if offending people is more important... Roll Eyes


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July 26, 2020, 01:59 PM
ZSMICHAEL
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I have known many folks in this field for many years. Such humor helps with some of the horrible things they deal with on a daily basis. Some folks just won’t get it.

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Some folks just won’t get it.

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I understand gallows humor. I do not think you quite understand. If you want to clown do it in PRIVATE. Make sure it does not go on the internet. Read again what Q had to say.
July 26, 2020, 02:12 PM
Hound Dog
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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
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Except that just isn’t funny. The shirts were

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I think the Tshirts were in poor taste and reflected poor judgement. Removing children from a home is serious business. Plus a good bit of the time they get it wrong. They can be replaced with people who utilize better decision making.


Find somebody whose kids were forcibly removed from their home without proper justification and ask them how funny it was.

I understand the dark humor, but wearing these shirts demonstrates bad judgement, IMO. I wiuldn't say they deserved to be fired, but it's not acceptable behavior.



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July 26, 2020, 02:14 PM
P220 Smudge
quote:
Originally posted by 12131:
If you want to be cute and funny, do it off hours. Totally stupid thing to do on the clock. How would you like it, if your wife's gynecologist walks in the room wearing a T-shirt that reads "Professional molester"?


I'm more in agreement with this mindset. There's a time and place to make fun of the people you deal with at work with your coworkers. At work is not that time or place. If they wore those into the office to deal with the public, or children they took from homes, that's worthy of punitive actions. In 2020, unfortunately for them, that typically means firing if you do something to make the organization you work for lose face.

Is it right? Maybe not. It's just the way things are.


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July 26, 2020, 09:00 PM
10X-Shooter
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Originally posted by SIG228:
Karen reports people for wearing a fuggn t-shirt! She's probably didn't get invited to drinks after work or to someone's wedding.

Exactly what I was thinking.
July 26, 2020, 09:58 PM
caneau
With great authority comes great responsibility. That type of t-shirt undermines the mission of child protective services. I understand why an agency would be upset. That said, firing is extreme unless there is more to this story, which there usually is.

Come to think of it, the person who I would reprimand is their supervisor. Someone with the tite "Manager" saw them come to work wearing the shirt, didn't pull the group aside, tell them it's unprofessional, and have them go change. As a services agency supervisor the most important job you have is to protect your employees from others and from themselves. And the second most important job is to be the voice of reason and see things from an agency perspective. Whoever was their boss failed on both accounts. It will take years to restaff and retrain eight case workers. That's a huge blow to that agency.


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July 26, 2020, 10:15 PM
flesheatingvirus
quote:
Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
quote:
I have known many folks in this field for many years. Such humor helps with some of the horrible things they deal with on a daily basis. Some folks just won’t get it.

quote:
Some folks just won’t get it.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I understand gallows humor. I do not think you quite understand. If you want to clown do it in PRIVATE. Make sure it does not go on the internet. Read again what Q had to say.


We are in agreement if you read the last part of my OP. Do that crap on your own time, not on official time.


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-- Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past me I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. --