Indeed...they will have legal "experts" that try convict and execute Bannon for the crime before the Sun has set...and will obviously use this to try and discredit Trump

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Originally posted by stickman428:
Innocent until proven guilty.

Tune into MSNBC and see if that's the way this will be portrayed.

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Originally posted by PR64:
Well Shit...I donated and thought it was a good thing.

I haven't seen anything credible yet that says it isn't a good thing.



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Hmm, two weeks ago NY goes after the NRA and now Build the WALL. Two organizations they loathe. I see a pattern.

And yes, it is quite telling the multi-billion dollar Clinton Crime Foundation, that spent 90% on program expenses (salaries), gets a pass. Even after the Clinton's swooped in on Haiti following an earthquake and a hurricane to "administer" the donations, and no one is able to track the 10's of billions donated to help the country and its people. And there were even Haitians protesting outside Hillary's office in NEW YORK to find out where the money went. Hello NY AG can you look into this $13B after the BTW $20M.

I think the essence is that the system is unjust.

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Originally posted by Jimbo Jones:
Indeed...they will have legal "experts" that try convict and execute Bannon for the crime before the Sun has set...and will obviously use this to try and discredit Trump

The upside is that Trump fired Bannon years ago and called him crazy.



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using fake invoices and sham “vendor” arrangements.

I have to ask, do these guys sit around a table creating the fake invoices, or do they let staff do it?

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Originally posted by stickman428:
Innocent until proven guilty. Our justice system has been weaponized against conservatives to the point of evidence tampering in some cases. Until it is proven beyond reasonable doubt that he did it I will not pass judgement.

Agreed. But the worthless media will portray this in as many ways possible to make Trump and everyone else look bad. The timing certainly fits their agenda. Time will tell. I truly hope it a bunch of bloviated bs.

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Originally posted by ChuckWall:

I have to ask, do these guys sit around a table creating the fake invoices, or do they let staff do it?

Not sure how they were alleged to carry that out, but a national account I worked on, their site managers created their own shell (vendor) accounts, routed work orders to that (shell) vendor which billed the manager in turn, invoice was approved by the same manager, and approved for payment by a higher level manager. Think the colloquial saying is they were all in cahoots.

What probably trips the whole deal up is when someone asks "By the way, has anyone ever actually seen XYZ company on site?"

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the worthless media will portray this in as many ways possible to make Trump and everyone else who supports him look bad

Enters room, runs bug sweep,
Adjusts Tin Foil Cap,
Closes dark foil lined window shades,
Turns on water from Fountain, and sound machine
checks browser is set to Incognito Mode
checks VPN,
Steps up on Soap Box,
clears throat, aaaahhhhemmm, cough cough,

Everything that can be done will be an effort to try and get the swing, white middle class voters to disassociate with Trump in the election. White silent Majority middle Americans are the key to every election. Fact is we are going to vote Trump and the left is going to vote Biden no matter what, nothing changes that, nothing. National Elections are won and lost in the middle, winning the undecideds.

In 2016 Trump worked hard, flew the whole country on his dime connecting with those voters and swung the election while Hillary sat on her ass thinking the polls and her campaign didn't need to sway people, she felt, "Trump? really, nobody will associate with this vile man",

So now you want to have a rally? Nope COVID, Masks, Social distancing. Even though we can stand with thousands in a Riot without masks because of racism, Trump can't have a few thousand in a room. Narrative by the media will destroy the act as callous, uncarring, non committed to the safety and health of the people. Boom, national Trump Tour cancelled.

They learned quickly, everything done today is to separate those voters from the personal relationship they developed with DJT so that they A) switch to Joe or, B) Don't vote either way that pulls the swing states away from Trump giving Biden a shot at the Electoral college since the game of populate the large states to corner a base number of electoral votes doesn't work when the middle union white family swings right, doesn't matter that you have 20 million people in CA locked up.

Perhaps these "Build the Wall" guys did do what is alleged, we all know this wasn't an investigation that started yesterday, its been in the works for a while. Sure smells like the timing of the release is designed to create a question the feel Trump will have to deal with the R convention coming up. Wouldn't be surprised if Trumps Taxes are released by a court order in the middle of the convention, or something else to derail the message.

Steps off soap box, stops preaching to choir...
places tin foil had back in safe, lifts shades.....

Regarding the comments that the Clintons issue don't matter, yes they do, because the same NY state that is bringing this up, is attacking the NRA, and has jurisdiction over the Clinton Foundation, will never bring them up on charges.... Pure politics...

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Originally posted by PR64:
Well Shit...I donated and thought it was a good thing.

Me, too. And I thought that there had been a couple of miles of wall built.

flashguy

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Originally posted by soflaac:
... a national account I worked on, their site managers created their own shell (vendor) accounts, routed work orders to that (shell) vendor which billed the manager in turn, invoice was approved by the same manager, and approved for payment by a higher level manager.

I guess that firm had never before then been audited by a real accounting firm? Because there is this thing called GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principles), and their failure to observe GAAP would have raised numerous red flags immediately.

I know this because, as the Senior IT Guy, I had to certify Certain Things every year, as well as produce an analysis of all financial systems' user permissions to flag potential GAAP conflicts.

Adhering to GAAP won't eliminate such fraud, but it does mean many more people have to be involved to pull it off.

Anytime you pair money with folks who have access to it & just a dash or complacency or greed & all the accounting firms in the world won't stop people from trying to dip in.

There was plenty of oversight, or what was thought to be until the fraud was uncovered.

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Originally posted by flashguy:

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Originally posted by PR64:
Well Shit...I donated and thought it was a good thing.

Me, too. And I thought that there had been a couple of miles of wall built.

flashguy

Their have been two very substantial walls built with these funds. Go to their website and you can see plenty of footage of money well spent.

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Originally posted by flashguy:

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Originally posted by PR64:
Well Shit...I donated and thought it was a good thing.

Me, too. And I thought that there had been a couple of miles of wall built.

flashguy

As did I but we need to wait until ALL the facts come out and not rely on the Kommie Media Cartel Indoctrination.

This is BULLSHIT. This is a political prosecution, nothing more. The leftist assholes district attorneys will turn over no stone to "get" a Republican, make Trump look bad, make those on the right look racist. Justice is supposed to be blind but not in this country. Heads should be on pikes.

I understand greed can drive people to do stupid things. I understand these folks aren’t necessarily geniuses but at the same time I don’t believe them to be complete idiots either. Given the nature of the project and the very well known opposition of said project I believe they would’ve made sure every detail was in order. Of course I could be wrong but I feel like these are TRUMPed up charges strictly to create a negative impact on the upcoming election. Time will tell but some damage has already been inflicted regardless of the final result. I hope and pray people take the time to educate themselves with facts prior to making any decisions.

Just curious why SDNY is filing this one. Was Bannon's org registered in NY? Why would anyone register a 501(c)3 there unless it were truly a local org whose leadership lived there? Seems to me this org would want to be based in the DC area, so they'd have access to national politicians for fundraising pitches. And it's not like they didn't know SDNY was a totally political office when they started this org.

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Originally posted by soflaac:
... a national account I worked on, their site managers created their own shell (vendor) accounts, routed work orders to that (shell) vendor which billed the manager in turn, invoice was approved by the same manager, and approved for payment by a higher level manager.

I guess that firm had never before then been audited by a real accounting firm? Because there is this thing called GAAP (Generally Accepted Accounting Principles), and their failure to observe GAAP would have raised numerous red flags immediately.

I know this because, as the Senior IT Guy, I had to certify Certain Things every year, as well as produce an analysis of all financial systems' user permissions to flag potential GAAP conflicts.

Adhering to GAAP won't eliminate such fraud, but it does mean many more people have to be involved to pull it off.

Nope. It's not GAAP; I think you're thinking SOX (Sarbanes Oaxley) compliance. And, no, you don't need many people. Just a few well-placed people who will approve setting up the account then approve invoice payments. In a small operation like this, the controller would have to have been involved given the relatively high amount of dollars.

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Originally posted by bubbatime:
This is BULLSHIT. This is a political prosecution, nothing more. The leftist assholes district attorneys will turn over no stone to "get" a Republican, make Trump look bad, make those on the right look racist. Justice is supposed to be blind but not in this country. Heads should be on pikes.

. These are federal charges, he was arrested by postal inspectors.

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arrested by postal inspectors.

on a Chinese businessman's boat...