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She wanted to cuff him for some reason, "to talk", she said. He didn't want to be cuffed. He couldn't get out through the locked door so he tried to flee out the window, and she shot him in the back. Now, just how in the world is this justifiable?
I feel sorry for her son, poor kid. What's he doing in there with a man she feels the need to restrain just to talk to? You can hear his anguish. That's gonna mark him for life.

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This was about 2 hours from me. Long trial on this one. Basically, it was her and her kids word against the dead guy. This video did not come out until after she had been found not guilty.

Last I heard, they are looking at charging the son for evidence tampering or perjury for lying in court. As for the bondsman, shes fooked in civil court. Family of the deceased already has said they are bringing a civil suit.
 
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Absent the video, what claim did she make for justification for killing someone?


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Absent the video, what claim did she make for justification for killing someone?


Her claim was she was trying to revoke his bond and he attempted to over power her and take her weapon, so she fired on him
 
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She may have tried to revoke his bond, but all he did was try to flee the premises. Looks like murder to me.
 
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Yep, she murdered the man.



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I was looking up some links to the news story and one local news has reported that the video wasn't released until after the trial, and one says it was shown to the jury and then they acquitted her. I'll have to do some more looking to be sure, but I know it's really caused some hell around there.

She was actually charged with Murder, but they returned with a not guilty verdict.
 
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Looks like murder to me as well. So you withhold evidence just to let it see the light of day after the trial? I don't think we are dealing with the smartest people here.


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Yeah. Looks like murder to me. Maybe they convinced the jury it wasn’t premeditated, and didn’t have a lesser murder charge as an option?




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So the kid will end up paying the price for his murdering mom. He shouldn't have lied in court but I can see how a mom could pressure him in to lying.

I wonder if he released the video?

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That was cold.

Look at her behavior during and after the shot.

Cold blooded.

She shouldn't be walking the streets.



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Damn. There is no question, that's straight murder.

He was no threat, making no action to hurt her or her son, he just wanted out. He wasn't armed, wasn't hostile, and was shot running away.

There is no justification at all, none.




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http://www.newsweek.com/watch-...uitted-murder-849959

The incident unfolded in August 2017 when agent Chasity Dawn Carey was meeting with the man, who was out on bail during a burglary case, in her Stillwater, Oklahoma, office. She and her 19-year-old son Justin Henderson were trying to take the client, 38-year-old Brandon James Williams, back into custody. The scene was captured on a GoPro camera Henderson had set up in a corner before the meeting.

The video shows Carey talking to Williams, then ordering him to stand against a wall and turn around as Henderson approaches with handcuffs.

“What do you mean?” Williams said. “What’s going on here?”

Carey responded that she will “sit and talk” to the man while he is handcuffed and he argues, telling her not to put her hands on him and moves away.

Williams moves out of frame, behind Carey’s desk, and a window curtain is swung outward. The viewer cannot see the victim or what he is doing as he said, “What are you doing this to me for?” Carey has reached into a desk drawer and pulled out a gun, which she then fires once.

Carey, 42, was charged with first degree murder after the shooting but was acquitted on March 9, according to The Oklahoman. In her testimony, Carey claimed self-defense and said Williams tried to get her gun before heading out the window of her office. She beat him to it and took the shot as he was going through that window.

Williams was hit in the back and died.

His family is expected to sue Carey in civil court, KOKH reported.

Officials released the video to the public after the criminal trial had concluded; jurors had seen the video during the trial.

A question over whether there was the intent to commit murder was said to have played a role in the jury’s verdict, the Stillwater News Press reported. A first degree murder charge is described as an intentional and premeditated act.
 
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first degree murder charge


IANAL, but that seems to be where the prosecutor got greedy and screwed the pooch. Can't imagine she wouldn't have been convicted on an even slightly lesser charge. Nobody's going to find for premeditation on that unless being stupid counts.



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Jesus. That was hard to watch. Methinks this is one of those cases where if the DA had pushed a second degree charge instead of premeditated, she'd have been found guilty.



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How could a jury see this video and decide that was not murder in some degree?

Crazy.



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Nothing justifiable about it. While probably not premeditated that bitch couldn't stand being told no so she shot him. Sad she was acquitted. I hope when the civil suit is done she is left with nothing but giving handjobs to meth heads to get by.

Her son knew she fucked up when she did it.



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Bail bonds is a tough business.

How does that relationship, and the powers to arrest someone to return to jail, play into this? Can deadly force be used to effect a return to custody?




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here is an article before the video became public

http://newsok.com/article/5586...ting-death-of-client

9 mar 2018

Jurors Friday acquitted a Stillwater bail agent of first-degree murder in the August shooting death of one of her clients.

Chasity Dawn Carey let out a loud gasp as the “not guilty” verdict was announced. She then cried and hugged her attorneys.

Carey, 42, of Drumright, testified she shot the client, Brandon James Williams, 38, of Stillwater, at her office Aug. 9 in self-defense. She and her 19-year-old son were attempting to take Williams, who was free on bail, back into custody at the time.

“I was afraid he was going to shoot my son,” Carey told the Payne County jury. “I felt like we were going to be killed. … I've never been that scared before.”

Carey testified Williams attempted to grab her gun before fleeing out her office window. She said she beat Williams to the gun and turned to fire just as he was going out the window. She shot Williams in the back.

Prosecutors alleged Carey was not acting in self-defense but shot Williams after he was “no longer a threat.”

It's never OK to shoot someone in the back. … Where's the danger? Where was it?” First Assistant District Attorney Kevin Etherington said during closing arguments Friday.

A video of the shooting showed Carey grab the gun and fire at Williams after he was out of view of the camera. The video did not show Williams grab for the gun. Defense attorneys contended Williams was just out of view of the camera. The video also did not show a portion of the office where the window was located.

The day before the shooting, Williams texted Carey, “Gone to Florida,” police reported. After realizing Williams hadn't yet left and needed money for the trip, Carey came up with a ruse to meet up so she could take him back into custody, according to testimony.

As part of the plan, Carey's son texted Williams about purchasing his Ford Mustang. Williams had already given Carey the car as collateral for her posting his bond. Williams was accused in a burglary case.

Carey's son set up the GoPro camera in the office moments before Williams arrived on Aug. 9. When Williams walked into the office, he immediately sat down and began to talk about cars with Carey and her son.

After attempting to exit the locked door in the office, Williams moved over to the window, which was off camera behind Carey's desk. He raised a curtain and then moved off camera.

At this same time, Carey reached across the desk to grab her handgun out of a drawer. She then turned and shot toward the window holding the gun in both hands.

The bullet entered Williams' lower back and exited his upper chest, according to the state medical examiner. The wound was consistent with Williams being shot while bending over to go out the window.

After the shooting, Carey told investigators she and Williams struggled for the gun and he was shot. Police later arrested Carey after viewing the video and no struggle was seen.

During closing arguments, defense attorney Jarrod Stevenson told the jury, “What's not on the video is your reasonable doubt.”

After the verdict, Stevenson said, “The video only showed half of the shooting. It didn't show what Mr. Williams was doing and I think that's what the jury really focused on.”
 
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I don't like it, but there you have it.

The combination of the fact that it was not necessarily premeditated, which is required for 1st Degree Murder, and the fact that the action was off-camera, rendering it as "she-said/dead-guy-can't-say", was able to lead the jury to conclude that they couldn't find her guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

Hopefully justice can be partially served during the subsequent civil suit, which requires a much lower burden of proof to be found responsible.
 
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